why we are in this mess

#26
#26
Randy Sanders offenses were always sloppy. Even 2001 was sloppier than it should have been.. Fulmer was loyal to a fault when he clearly needed to upgrade.......
 
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#27
We are in this mess because boosters and a lot of fans convinced the university to make a change before a proven winner was found as a replacement. That in turn led to the LK hire. After he threw gas on a smoldering program, we were left with who we could get. Looks like history could repeat itself if some get their way.
 
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#28
peerless98 said:
We are in this mess because boosters and a lot of fans convinced the university to make a change before a proven winner was found as a replacement. That in turn led to the LK hire. After he threw gas on a smoldering program, we were left with who we could get. Looks like history could repeat itself if some get their way.
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Fortunately or unfortunately, I came through UT right before chatboards truly blossomed...so more of a casual reader when I need to get my fix if govols or other media isn't doing it. Definitely don't spend time outside the confines of Volnation...Are other sites as rabid as this one is? Do other fans go as far north and as far south as we seem to swing as quickly? The last few weekends have been awful, but sometimes feel like this place turned on a dime post FL from easy 10 win season to "put a sniper on the roof of the athletic center and hit these __ people". And if we are on the extreme side of it, does that impact recruiting for the good or bad?
 
#29
#29
rnouredd said:
Defense practices against scout team and not one the best offenses in the country.
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when I heard this and the fact that Dooley was "happy" we beat Troy I wanted to stick my hands through my computer screen and strangle him.

for a lawyer he says a bunch of dumb ****.
 
#30
#30
jessee james said:
Hope the next guy hires more alumni. Bring Tee home. L. Little and Al Wilson are really outspoken on twitter, but DD doesn't want to break the rules by having their off-field help.
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I hope none of our coaches would willingly break the rules. Trying to hire a coach who does not have a degree would be plain stupid. If Little and Wilson wanted to become coaches, they would have prepared for that possibility. However, neither have ANY experience in coaching and how well they could coach will likely never be known.
 
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#31
therealUT said:
We are in this mess because Hamilton was more concerned with trying to find "diamonds in the rough" than in paying out big money to proven coaches. Big coaches ought to buy big name coaches; let other schools try to scout and develop coaching talent.
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As I recall, all the "big named coaches" approached for the job said, "thanks but no thanks". We took what we could get and were damned lucky to get him at that time. That is why we must have an outstanding coach lined up before we make the same mistake again.
 
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Mendocino said:
Fortunately or unfortunately, I came through UT right before chatboards truly blossomed...so more of a casual reader when I need to get my fix if govols or other media isn't doing it. Definitely don't spend time outside the confines of Volnation...Are other sites as rabid as this one is? Do other fans go as far north and as far south as we seem to swing as quickly? The last few weekends have been awful, but sometimes feel like this place turned on a dime post FL from easy 10 win season to "put a sniper on the roof of the athletic center and hit these __ people". And if we are on the extreme side of it, does that impact recruiting for the good or bad?
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The tone on this site does seem to change quickly. I remember a lot of happy people when Sunseri was hired. Now most act like they hated the hire and have resorted, in many cases, to personal insults about his weight etc. (ring any bells?). We were spoiled during the Fulmer era only to call for his head and insulting him. Now we are left with just a mess. Firing Dooley now, unless we have a proven winner in place, will only lead to bigger problems in the short term IMO. Firing Sunseri may or may not help this defense. The athletes are just not there.
 
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#33
VOLINVONORE said:
As I recall, all the "big named coaches" approached for the job said, "thanks but no thanks". We took what we could get and were damned lucky to get him at that time. That is why we must have an outstanding coach lined up before we make the same mistake again.
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I agree with your last statement, but I'm not sure there is any truth to us turning down big named coaches.
 
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#34
peerless98 said:
I agree with your last statement, but I'm not sure there is any truth to us turning down big named coaches.
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I think it is against NCAA rules to actively seek another coach without terminating the current coach. The terminated coach can still finish out the year but has to be informed of termination.
 
#35
#35
Make the National News..... Student protest campus wide.
Do you think the administration wants that kind of publicity?
 
#36
#36
therealUT said:
We are in this mess because Hamilton was more concerned with trying to find "diamonds in the rough" than in paying out big money to proven coaches. Big coaches ought to buy big name coaches; let other schools try to scout and develop coaching talent.
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The first 2 calls were to Dungy and Gruden. The answers were no.
 
#37
#37
Clawson was the HCIW. The OL was too stupid to run weakside/strongside and Crompton turned out to be bust based on his recruiting ranking and we never got a chance to find out what he could do.
 
#38
#38
yohdoe34 said:
UT has always had home grown coaches, after what Fulmer did to Majors phil didn't want the same thing to happen to him. Nobody was in waiting. Now we are at the mercy of dart board style hires. I am not bashing Fulmer he took the school definitly a step farther,
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I put this in another thread. There are deep problems in the university. There are problems with the current Board of Trustees, the reporting system of the university, the control of the Thornton Center, the power of the faculity senate, etc. Our problems start at the very top of the University Sysyem.
 
#39
#39
tmac5469 said:
You have to have high expectations or you are selling yourself short. Foster fumbled in critical situations and lost games for us and chavis showed you last night what he will do in a critical situation on defense. Mustang package. Thay deserved criticism.
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Yeah, I was almost certain when bammer got the ball with a minute left they would win the game. Chavis always puts in the prevent D. He gets away with it more now with his talented players, but it was bound to bite him vs. bammer.

Let's be careful what we wish for. It could get worse or stay the same. Defense has to improve, though.
 
#40
#40
The real reason....because Pete Carroll had to bolt for Seattle. A lot of bad luck and bad timing involved there.
 
#41
#41
yohdoe34 said:
I think it is against NCAA rules to actively seek another coach without terminating the current coach. The terminated coach can still finish out the year but has to be informed of termination.
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Is this a rule for university officials only or can alumni or others approach prospects?
 
#42
#42
peerless98 said:
We are in this mess because boosters and a lot of fans convinced the university to make a change before a proven winner was found as a replacement. That in turn led to the LK hire. After he threw gas on a smoldering program, we were left with who we could get. Looks like history could repeat itself if some get their way.
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Firing CDD will satisfy a lot of people, but it would destabilize the program. :twocents:
 
#43
#43
yohdoe34 said:
UT has always had home grown coaches, after what Fulmer did to Majors phil didn't want the same thing to happen to him. Nobody was in waiting. Now we are at the mercy of dart board style hires. I am not bashing Fulmer he took the school definitly a step farther,
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Fulmer did not do anything to Majors. If you have proof let's see it. Research before throwing b.s. here.
 
#44
#44
orangeluvr said:
Firing CDD will satisfy a lot of people, but it would destabilize the program. :twocents:
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There isn't much stable about starting the SEC 0-5, 3 straight years.. 4-17 overall and 1-7 last year say that's about as unstable as it gets... It couldn't be much worse, unless they find a way to lose to Kentucky two years in a row...
 
#45
#45
therealUT said:
We are in this mess because Hamilton was more concerned with trying to find "diamonds in the rough" than in paying out big money to proven coaches. Big coaches ought to buy big name coaches; let other schools try to scout and develop coaching talent.
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We had a proven coach and the fans weren't satisfied with that!
 
#46
#46
1. Hamilton giving Fulmer an extension.
2. Fulmer hiring Clawson
3. Fans angry that we had no offense and clamored for Fulmer to be fired.
4. The decision by Hamilton to hire a young up and comer instead of a proven winner for the head coaching position.
5. Kiffin leaves and his recruiting class was a bust.
6. Hamilton makes decision #4 again and negotiates a ridiculously favorable contract to Dooley, with Jimmy Sexton.
7. Hart does not extend the contracts of the assistants after year two and the entire defensive staff has to be replaced.
8. Dooley makes mistake #2 and #4. Going into his 3rd year and he's on the hot seat he should have hired a proven DC, since they are paying Sunseri proven DC money.
9. Despite having NFL Talent at skill positions and a great offensive line, Coach Dooley let his OC and QB change his philosophy, which coupled with a new DC and new scheme is a recipe for disaster.
10. Coaching and all that is included from practice to games.
 
#47
#47
VFL1966 said:
We had a proven coach and the fans weren't satisfied with that!
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Ironically, that same coach is responsible for creating the expectation for a winning program yet the fans turned on him when the program began slipping. Now those same folks blame him, among other things, for the program being in the shape it is. Without him there would have been no "prime" for this program in the modern age. Go figure!
 
#48
#48
volspeach said:
And hire people that actually give a damn about the WHOLE STATE OF TENNESSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO VOLS..
GO BIG ORANGE....... :rock:
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Nick Saban doesn't care about the whole state of alabama

Urban Meyer didn't care about the whole state of Florida...

Worked out ok for them
 
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#50
yohdoe34 said:
UT has always had home grown coaches, after what Fulmer did to Majors phil didn't want the same thing to happen to him. Nobody was in waiting. Now we are at the mercy of dart board style hires. I am not bashing Fulmer he took the school definitly a step farther,
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Neither Majors or Fulmer developed any coaches who have risen to the place where they could be considered as a head coach. Home grown coaches are not available for Tennessee.Graham is likely to be the only one who has a chance, but he is still a few years away. Needs a coordinator's position first. Would like to see that happen in the future.
 
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