Why wasn't Cody flagged for removing his helmet?

#551
#551
I'm actually curious why some Bama fans are still hanging out on here.

Is it them trying to "justify their win" I mean a win is a win.

Or, are they a little taken that Tennessee is for real after only a couple years of being down and are slightly fearful for what might happen next year.

Or, are they jealous?

I'm actually thinking they are jealous even though they won.

I'm not hanging out on a Bama site but they sure are hanging out here.
 
#552
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vols-1 said:
As soon as the helmet comes off on the field then the play is stopped( or supposed to be stopped according to the rules). And the helmet came off before AL recovered.

This is becase of safety, becasue someone could have hit Cody in the head during the play.
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I've seen plenty of tackles made by defenders AFTER their helmets have come off. I can't imagine that's supposed to stop the clock.
 
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First&Tenn said:
When the other team outgains you by nearly 100 yards (341-256), it's a little dishonest to say they were "never really in the game". UT missed 3 field goals, and any of them would have been the winning points in the end....

Also, you don't have "total control" of any game where the only points you can muster are 4 field goals...
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To be fair, and if we're truly being honest, it's probably worth noting that 76 of those yards came after the point in the game where it really was in hand for Bama - the Ingram fumble. After that play, in only 3:21 UT rolled up 30% of its yardage and 70% of its points for the game, while Bama never touched the ball again.
 
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#554
I don’t think any of us are really saying that the officials cost us a game or that Bama somehow cheated. I think it's more *****ing at the bad officiating that took place in the game and has taken place this year in the SEC. I don’t claim to have read all the articles or heard all the interviews, but from what I have seen, I don't see CLK saying the refs cost us the game. CLK KNOWS we ultimately beat ourselves. Ill advised or not, he called out the officiating crew for suspect calls and just plain doing a BAD job. He's only saying what a couple of other coaches in the SEC have said and most of the others are thinking (with the possible exception of Saban and Meyer). If some of you Bama fans don’t like hearing/reading what is said then DON’T LISTEN OR READ. From what I see, you spend way too much time ‘*****ing’ about our ‘whining’.

Why are you here? Do you actually think you’re making some sort of point that we are going to listen to? You’re kind of sad. You won the game, you’re still undefeated and you’ll get to the ‘semis’ for the National Championship. We lost the game, we are 3-4 and doing all this ‘whining’. Yet here you are, whining yourself…

I just don’t get it. I spend ZERO time on you’re message board. I have no desire to hang out there, ***** and act like a sphincter.

Again I ask, why are you here?

Frankly, I just think CLK makes you nervous. CLK and staff are GREAT recruiters and are proving to be great coaches (they sure out coached your boys the other night). You don’t understand it and unfortunately when stupid people don’t understand something, they attack it…

OK, rant over. Forgive me if I was off topic, offensive, out of hand or all the above...
 
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Tidal Surge said:
If Bama had let UT block two FGs that could have won the game, I would not be looking to place the blame anywhere else.

Many years back, Bama p*ssed away a game to Auburn by letting them block two punts and return them for scores, both late in the game. Bama lost 17-16. There were 17-16 bumper stickers, "Punt Bama Punt" t-shirts, etc.

I was PO'd about the blocked punts. I wasn't whining about about the officiating and insinuating that there was some ridiculous conspiracy about crooked officiating.

Vols fans don't like it when rivals jokingly refer to UT as UcheaT. If you don't like it, then quit whining "You Cheat" like a sore loser on a grade school playground.

This is twice now that Kiffin has made cheating accusations without even knowing the friggin rules pertinent to situation. The first was the thing about Meyer phoning the recruit while he was visiting UT. The second is this helmet removal thing. Kiffin's other remarks about officiating in the Bama vs UT game are equally pathetic.

Slive was right to reprimand him both times and right to threaten suspension for future violations of the SEC code of ethics.
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You make valid points, however your reference to the Meyer comment which has been quoted ad nauseum by every opposing poster in the SEC is misplaced and tiresome. I do not think that Kiffin really thought that Meyer violated any rules. If he did he would have reported it to the SEC and the NCAA not the booster club. It was a joke, like coaches make to their boosters all over the country. The problem is the local media, which is one of the most "non-homerish" in the country and probalby peeved that Fulmer was fired ran with it. and once it got out it took on a life of its own. I had a firend who went to UF and thus attended booster club gatherings such as this and had attended FSU gatherings, for business purposes, and the comment that he made to me (in defending Spurrier at the time) was that all coached jab at their rivals and insult them in their booster dinners, it is just that Spurrier said in public what everyone else only said in private. Point of the story is... this was not the only smart comment made by a CFB coach about a rival coach this year during a PRIVATE function. It is just the only one that got replayed all over the country. And Foley's crying to Slive just escalated it even more.
 
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utturff49 said:
Yep, just like Saban giving good props to UT for playing such a close game. I'm just glad Saban didn't say some punk*ss thing like his players were just tired or some crap like that. It's a shame Bama will be back to a 6-6 team next year. And of course UT is known for all it's cheating violations I mean shoot, who else could come to mind for leading the NCAA in violations.

$sswipe
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6-6 next year? You must live under a rock...
 
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Tidal Surge said:
UT had eight penalties.

You can point to the eight versus one on the surface and make it sound like it's just too one-sided to be fair -- that Bama must have gotten preferential treatment. But that doesn't make it so. There is no evidence to support that. It's not that unusual of an occurrence for one team to have significantly more penalties in a game than another one or for a team to have as few as one or even zero penalties.
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CLK said in the post game that UT had 10 penalties called total, 8 enforced. i'm going to bet that he followed the game a little closer than you did.

a crew might call a game especially close, or especially loose, but it usually achieves some semblance of balance within the game. 10 to 1 is atypical, especially when multiple obvious calls against bama were not made (encroachment, holding, and the fat lady throwing her helmet instead of singing).
 
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#559
A bit off topic, but rules related, I would appreciate it if you guys would help me settle an argument between a friend and me. Please give your best answer and a referrence to a page in the rule book if possible. Team A is attempting a fieldgoal. Team B partially blocks the kick but the ball travels past the first down marker where team A recovers. Is it 1st and 10 team A or posession team B going the other way? Does it make a difference if it is a punt instead of a field goal attempt? Thank you for any input.
 
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#560
scottybob said:
A bit off topic, but rules related, I would appreciate it if you guys would help me settle an argument between a friend and me. Please give your best answer and a referrence to a page in the rule book if possible. Team A is attempting a fieldgoal. Team B partially blocks the kick but the ball travels past the first down marker where team A recovers. Is it 1st and 10 team A or posession team B going the other way? Does it make a difference if it is a punt instead of a field goal attempt? Thank you for any input.
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I think it's automatically the other team's ball if it crosses the LOS, regardless of who recovers. If it never crosses the LOS and the kicking team recovers, they can get another shot if it wasn't 4th down and there is still time on the clock.

I'm not 100% sure about that though, and may be completely wrong, but that's how I think it works.
 
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#561
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#564
#564
Thanks SGM that was my side of the argument too.
Anybody else? My buddy is absolutely convinced he is right. I need all the support I can get.
 
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#565
First: If you want the penalty call on Cody for having his helmet off, fine, we can play that game. Then Tennessee should have been flagged for the same penalty after recovering the onside kick. I believe it was Art Evans who was jumping up and down like a little kid in a candy store WITHOUT HIS HELMET ON and Tennessee wasn't flagged. IMO, that is instant karma. (Not to mention you guys got away with a mugging in the end zone on Julio at the end of the half.) So no use complaining about call you didn't get, when you're team got away with it not to long before Cody's situation.

Second: This issue is dead. You guys did not get screwe no matter what Lil Kitten is trying to sell you. You fought hard and earned some respect, but your contuination of crying is slowly taking that respect away.

And utturff, you must be confusing Tennessee's roster with Bama. A whole lot of bad luck would have to happen for Bama to be a "6-6" team. I guarantee you that Bama will be undefeated again when UA/UT play in Knoxville next yr. So stop with the sore loser, cause it's doesn't look good.
 
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SGMVols said:
I think it's automatically the other team's ball if it crosses the LOS, regardless of who recovers. If it never crosses the LOS and the kicking team recovers, they can get another shot if it wasn't 4th down and there is still time on the clock.

I'm not 100% sure about that though, and may be completely wrong, but that's how I think it works.
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Leon Lett can tell you all about this rule . . .

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Gamebreaker said:
First: If you want the penalty call on Cody for having his helmet off, fine, we can play that game. Then Tennessee should have been flagged for the same penalty after recovering the onside kick. I believe it was Art Evans who was jumping up and down like a little kid in a candy store WITHOUT HIS HELMET ON and Tennessee wasn't flagged. IMO, that is instant karma. (Not to mention you guys got away with a mugging in the end zone on Julio at the end of the half.) So no use complaining about call you didn't get, when you're team got away with it not to long before Cody's situation.

Second: *This issue is dead. You guys did not get screwe no matter what Lil Kitten is trying to sell you. You fought hard and earned some respect, but your contuination of crying is slowly taking that respect away.

And utturff, you must be confusing Tennessee's roster with Bama. A whole lot of bad luck would have to happen for Bama to be a "6-6" team. I guarantee you that Bama will be undefeated again when UA/UT play in Knoxville next yr. **So stop with the sore loser, cause it's doesn't look good.
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* It is not dead until there are NO responses and yes, that includes yours.

**No one made you come to this site, join, open a thread and comment. If it "doesn't look good", don't look.
 
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SGMVols said:
I think it's automatically the other team's ball if it crosses the LOS, regardless of who recovers. If it never crosses the LOS and the kicking team recovers, they can get another shot if it wasn't 4th down and there is still time on the clock.

I'm not 100% sure about that though, and may be completely wrong, but that's how I think it works.
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Sounds dead on.
 
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Gamebreaker said:
First: If you want the penalty call on Cody for having his helmet off, fine, we can play that game. Then Tennessee should have been flagged for the same penalty after recovering the onside kick. I believe it was Art Evans who was jumping up and down like a little kid in a candy store WITHOUT HIS HELMET ON and Tennessee wasn't flagged.
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unfortunately for you AS SOON as Tennessee recovers the play is dead. the blocked field goal play isn't dead until the refs blow it dead. fail. gtfo.
 
#570
#570
I know you hate people whining about bad calls, but if Terrence Cody doesn't get flagged for excessive celebration at the end of the 'Bama-Vols game, shouldn't the SEC retroactively award UGA the game I won against LSU? I mean, fair is fair.
-- A.J. Green, Athens

Hey A.J. Thanks for writing in. Glad to see you're a Mailbag reader. Naming you to our Midseason All-America Team last week didn't happen to prompt this e-mail, did it?

I regret to inform you, however, that the difference between your admittedly unwarranted flag and the non-call on Cody for removing his helmet is that there was no time left on the clock after the end of the play, therefore there was no "next play" onto which to tack a penalty. I can understand your confusion, however. Lane Kiffin didn't seem to know or care about this technicality during his now-standard postgame gripe-fest. Maybe you read his comments. Some advice: don't. Quite frankly, I'm not sure at this point whether he knows any football rules.

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kills two birds with one stone: answers this thread and pretty much sums up how the rest of the world views kitty.

LOL :pepper:
 
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Duckhook said:
We don't really want to get into arguing on technicalities.....

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You beat me to it. Good post. :good!:

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that pic does indeed blow at least one big fat hole in CLK's unsupported inuendo that there was unscrupulous officiating in the UA vs UT game.

BTW, here's the caption that goes with the pic:

“Tennessee players Janzen Jackson (15) and Art Evans (25) react after the Volunteers successfully made an onside kick in the fourth quarter of an NCAA college football game against Alabama at Bryant-Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009. Tennessee recovered the ball but failed to score when Alabama blocked a last second field goal and won 12-10. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)”

There certainly could have been a flag thrown for helmet removal which would have move the ball back fifteen yards. I don't know whether that would have made it 1st & 25 or if it would have been 1st & 10. At 1st & 10 the fifteen yards would have made it much more challenging for UT to get within FG range with the time that was left and no time-outs. At 1st & 25 it's pretty unlikely UT would have even converted a first down.
 
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Outdors21 said:
How does Bama not get a misconduct penalty for having 50 players on the field before the play is dead.

Since it was blocked, the play isn't dead until the ball is touched again.
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I rewound that and have watched it several times. When his helmet came off, the clock was on zero. To me it don't matter, what he did was classless and stupid BUT time was out at that point. Although I am a diehard Tennessee fan I have to admit that the game was technically over with due to time being out.
 
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The_Lane_Train said:
yes that should be a 15 yard penalty and a re-kick, yet another missed call by our SEC referees. FML
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It's a dead ball foul. Maybe there is a ref here that can explain better than me. No matter what happens during the play the penalty is assessed on top of what happens during the play. Since Bama eventually picked up the live ball it's their ball minus 15 yards.
 
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