Why wasn't Cody flagged for removing his helmet?

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NCVols said:
Here's the EXACT answer on the BLOWN helmet Call from Sports Illustrated article and an official statement from the SEC.

Officials' blown call*doesn't matter as Alabama edges Tennessee - Andy Staples - SI.com
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Interesting. Most such violations are dead ball fouls, after the play was concluded. My understanding was the play was still in progress when the foul occurred (correct me if I'm wrong). Is this a different situation that would have been treated differently? The same would be true of a personal foul after the play concluded I suppose. A dead ball personal foul would be ignored I guess, but what if it occurred while the play was in progress?
 
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billbattle said:
Interesting. Most such violations are dead ball fouls, after the play was concluded. My understanding was the play was still in progress when the foul occurred (correct me if I'm wrong). Is this a different situation that would have been treated differently? The same would be true of a personal foul after the play concluded I suppose. A dead ball personal foul would be ignored I guess, but what if it occurred while the play was in progress?
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It doesn't matter...

That falls in the same catagory as a player running into the endzone and before he gets there he turns around and taunts a player following behind. Even though it was during the play it will be consider a dead ball personal foul. So they wouldn't take the TD away just make them either attempt the PAT 15 yards back or the kick off 15 yards back.

Alabama recovered so for what its worth TC could have striped naked and did the worm and alabama will still had the ball minus 15 yards.

If UT would have went after the ball after the block and recovered it. then you can talk about the "no call" and UT would have had a untimed re-kick BUT the play was blown dead even before alabama got to the ball due to the fact that not one UT player even aknowledge the ball.
 
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billbattle said:
Interesting. Most such violations are dead ball fouls, after the play was concluded. My understanding was the play was still in progress when the foul occurred (correct me if I'm wrong). Is this a different situation that would have been treated differently? The same would be true of a personal foul after the play concluded I suppose. A dead ball personal foul would be ignored I guess, but what if it occurred while the play was in progress?
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what would have happened if we had recovered the ball?
 
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RollBamaRollBama said:
If UT would have went after the ball after the block and recovered it. then you can talk about the "no call" and UT would have had a untimed re-kick BUT the play was blown dead even before alabama got to the ball due to the fact that not one UT player even aknowledge the ball.
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I still don't think half the Tennessee FG team knows where that ball went.
 
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RollBamaRollBama said:
It doesn't matter...

That falls in the same catagory as a player running into the endzone and before he gets there he turns around and taunts a player following behind. Even though it was during the play it will be consider a dead ball personal foul. So they wouldn't take the TD away just make them either attempt the PAT 15 yards back or the kick off 15 yards back.

Alabama recovered so for what its worth TC could have striped naked and did the worm and alabama will still had the ball minus 15 yards.

If UT would have went after the ball after the block and recovered it. then you can talk about the "no call" and UT would have had a untimed re-kick BUT the play was blown dead even before alabama got to the ball due to the fact that not one UT player even aknowledge the ball.
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I don't have a problem with your explanation, except the part about the play being blown dead. The ball is not dead until someone recovers it. If the officials blew it dead prior to that, then they were wrong.
 
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GAVol said:
I still don't think half the Tennessee FG team knows where that ball went.
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In most cases you see the kicker and the holder are the two that does...neither one even walked toward the ball they just stood there. The kicker had to see it. That is just something that should have been said to the UT ST on the sideline for a "Just in case moment". I enjoyed the game and I was very suprised by UT. Good game!
 
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billbattle said:
I don't have a problem with your explanation, except the part about the play being blown dead. The ball is not dead until someone recovers it. If the officials blew it dead prior to that, then they were wrong.
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Would it not be similar to a punt...when the ball is just laying there for a few seconds not moving, the refs would go ahead a blow it dead?
 
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RollBamaRollBama said:
Would it not be similar to a punt...when the ball is just laying there for a few seconds not moving, the refs would go ahead a blow it dead?
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No, a field goal attempt that does not go beyond the line of scrimmage is a live ball, just like a fumble. I've seen officials just stand there for the longest time on an uncaught lateral pass waiting for someone to figure out the thing was a live ball. A blocked field goal is treated just like a blocked punt.
 
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GAVol said:
Not exactly. The game wasn't over because the play was still going on. But the clock expired during the play and the penalty would have treated like a dead ball foul. So since Alabama recovered and there were no more plays to be run, there was no way to enforce the penalty anyway.
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I may be wrong and you may be right. Doesn't really matter. Since that infraction is treated as a dead ball penalty and Bama recovered the blocked kick the penalty would have been 15 yards against Bama, but it would have been Bama's ball. Can't rekick without having possession.
 
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somebody earlier said that you could see the ref pointing at the ball... anybody have a youtube of that?
 
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Tidal Surge said:
I may be wrong and you may be right. Doesn't really matter. Since that infraction is treated as a dead ball penalty and Bama recovered the blocked kick the penalty would have been 15 yards against Bama, but it would have been Bama's ball. Can't rekick without having possession.
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You're dead wrong.....He removed the helmet before the ball was recovered by BAMA...therefore it was a "live ball" until a team recovers the ball, and he should have had a 15 yard penalty and Vols re-kick. If he removed it after BAMA jumped on the ball...then it would revert to your way of thinking. Obviously this was not the case whatsoever....his helmet was removed 2 seconds after the block....BAMA recovered 4 seconds after. Watch it again.
 
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Oracle69 said:
You're dead wrong.....He removed the ball before the ball was recovered by BAMA...therefore he should have had a 15 yard penalty and Vols re-kick.
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Initially I thought the exact same thing, but as it turns out, whether it's during the play or not is irrelevant. It's an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty which is always treated as a dead ball foul.
 
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Oracle69 said:
You're dead wrong.....He removed the helmet before the ball was recovered by BAMA...therefore it was a "live ball" until a team recovers the ball, and he should have had a 15 yard penalty and Vols re-kick. If he removed it after BAMA jumped on the ball...then it would revert to your way of thinking. Obviously this was not the case whatsoever....his helmet was removed 2 seconds after the block....BAMA recovered 4 seconds after. Watch it again.
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Go back through out the thread and you will read that it is treated like a dead ball personal foul because alabama did recover. Its along the same line as a player running toward the end zone and turning around to taunt a player BEFORE he scores and gets a PF. Even though he did it during the play it is a dead ball personal foul.

everything you need to know should be from pages 4-8
 
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If the field goal attempt had been on 3rd down instead of 4th, the play would have been under review and the 1 second left on the clock with Cody removing his helmet, would have resulted in another attempt 15 yds closer.
 
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