Why the Passing game has been struggling.

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A lot of people want to blame Azzani and Debord for lack of WR production, but the lack of offense in the passing game is for a combination of different reasons.

1. Marquez North and Pig Howard have been injured

Our two top playmakers in the passing game, have either been playing hurt or have been out of the game. Pearson and Josh Malone have struggled, at the times when Dobbs has tried to get them the ball. This could be blamed on Azzani, but he also has had to groom two freshmen one of which was a QB until Fall camp and has turned out to be one of our best players. He deserves some credit for Jennings.


2. Offensive line struggles at passblocking.

Kerbyson has improved, but the struggles come from the right side of the line from Weisman and Kendrick. In the first quarter against Florida, we dialed up a deep throw, but Kendrick got beat by Alexander for a blindsided sack and it ended up being a big loss.


3. Dobbs is not an accurate passer

Dobbs has improved his mechanics, but still has been inconsistent at times. I think Dobbs has not shown the coaches in practice that he can be effective throwing accurately. Dobbs is a gamer, and I think coaches need to have more faith in Dobbs to deliver the throw, especially when the running game has progressed so well. Coach Jones has said they will make passing the ball more of an emphasis against Arkansas so we will see.
 
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I'm not interested in passing more. I'm interested in completing more. Dobbs missed a wide open Josh Smith for a potential big play. Receivers have had to adjust for bad throws too often. There is no way the team completes 2 passes to the WRs unless there is something very wrong.
 
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Roustabout said:
I'm not interested in passing more. I'm interested in completing more. Dobbs missed a wide open Josh Smith for a potential big play. Receivers have had to adjust for bad throws too often. There is no way the team completes 2 passes to the WRs unless there is something very wrong.
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Would probably be helpful if we'd actually targeted the WRs ....Hubbs said we targeted a WR 6 total times vs Florida....6.
 
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Roustabout said:
I'm not interested in passing more. I'm interested in completing more. Dobbs missed a wide open Josh Smith for a potential big play. Receivers have had to adjust for bad throws too often. There is no way the team completes 2 passes to the WRs unless there is something very wrong.
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This. I'm telling you, I think Marquez North has the highest % in the history of CFB at attempting and often making acrobatic catches in the course of his three years here.
 
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Dobbs isn't accurate based on one pass to Josh Smith that he missed? Are you serious?

What about the 3 throws during the final possession? Including that beautiful sideline pass between the safety and linebacker to Kamara.

I personally haven't seen enough pass attempts from Dobbs to buy into this narrative that he's inaccurate.

Sure he's inconsistent right now. But who wouldn't given the limited pass attempts.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs isn't accurate based on one pass to Josh Smith that he missed? Are you serious?

What about the 3 throws during the final possession? Including that beautiful sideline pass between the safety and linebacker to Kamara.

I personally haven't seen enough pass attempts from Dobbs to buy into this narrative that he's inaccurate.

Sure he's inconsistent right now. But who wouldn't given the limited pass attempts.
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I'll say this about you-I'm still not convinced you aren't half a nutjob haha, but I have to admire your loyalty to Dobbs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs isn't accurate based on one pass to Josh Smith that he missed? Are you serious?

What about the 3 throws during the final possession? Including that beautiful sideline pass between the safety and linebacker to Kamara.

I personally haven't seen enough pass attempts from Dobbs to buy into this narrative that he's inaccurate.

Sure he's inconsistent right now. But who wouldn't given the limited pass attempts.
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Well said. A QB and his receivers need time, need game reps to develop rapport and get in a rhythm.....neither Dobbs nor the WRs were given that opportunity vs Florida. Dobbs did throw that ball high to Smith, but it was very catchable....but Smith looked like he'd never caught a ball before in his life right there, and it's probably because he was completely out of the game prior to thst play.

Jones needs to make a much bigger commitment to throwing the ball more often and more consistently if we're gonna have a chance beat the best teams remaining on our schedule.
 
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Clockwork Orange said:
A lot of people want to blame Azzani and Debord for lack of WR production, but the lack of offense in the passing game is for a combination of different reasons.

1. Marquez North and Pig Howard have been injured

Our two top playmakers in the passing game, have either been playing hurt or have been out of the game. Pearson and Josh Malone have struggled, at the times when Dobbs has tried to get them the ball. This could be blamed on Azzani, but he also has had to groom two freshmen one of which was a QB until Fall camp and has turned out to be one of our best players. He deserves some credit for Jennings.


2. Offensive line struggles at passblocking.

Kerbyson has improved, but the struggles come from the right side of the line from Weisman and Kendrick. In the first quarter against Florida, we dialed up a deep throw, but Kendrick got beat by Alexander for a blindsided sack and it ended up being a big loss.


3. Dobbs is not an accurate passer

Dobbs has improved his mechanics, but still has been inconsistent at times. I think Dobbs has not shown the coaches in practice that he can be effective throwing accurately. Dobbs is a gamer, and I think coaches need to have more faith in Dobbs to deliver the throw, especially when the running game has progressed so well. Coach Jones has said they will make passing the ball more of an emphasis against Arkansas so we will see.
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Kendrick in Particular, He almost got Dobbs decapitated twice in one set
 
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Clockwork Orange said:
A lot of people want to blame Azzani and Debord for lack of WR production, but the lack of offense in the passing game is for a combination of different reasons.

1. Marquez North and Pig Howard have been injured

Our two top playmakers in the passing game, have either been playing hurt or have been out of the game. Pearson and Josh Malone have struggled, at the times when Dobbs has tried to get them the ball. This could be blamed on Azzani, but he also has had to groom two freshmen one of which was a QB until Fall camp and has turned out to be one of our best players. He deserves some credit for Jennings.


2. Offensive line struggles at passblocking.

Kerbyson has improved, but the struggles come from the right side of the line from Weisman and Kendrick. In the first quarter against Florida, we dialed up a deep throw, but Kendrick got beat by Alexander for a blindsided sack and it ended up being a big loss.


3. Dobbs is not an accurate passer

Dobbs has improved his mechanics, but still has been inconsistent at times. I think Dobbs has not shown the coaches in practice that he can be effective throwing accurately. Dobbs is a gamer, and I think coaches need to have more faith in Dobbs to deliver the throw, especially when the running game has progressed so well. Coach Jones has said they will make passing the ball more of an emphasis against Arkansas so we will see.
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Give me a break on the North and Pig stuff. We have the most solid depth at WR.
 
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Not sure how much of this is Dobbs and how much is a lack of timing with the WR perhaps due to excessive substitution ar the position? Really has to be hard to get a feel for things when it's a different WR every play or two. Different speed, differences in how a receiver runs the route. Has to be difficult.
 
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Roustabout said:
I'm not interested in passing more. I'm interested in completing more. Dobbs missed a wide open Josh Smith for a potential big play. Receivers have had to adjust for bad throws too often. There is no way the team completes 2 passes to the WRs unless there is something very wrong.
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Rhythm would help. Can't get into rhythm with only 6 targets. Also, the routes the Wrs need to run should be short quick routes, the oline doesn't give the qb any time for Deeper passes. Dobbs is a jr qb, there is no reason for not letting him pass. Way too conservative. can I get a quick slant
 
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tbulla said:
Kendrick in Particular, He almost got Dobbs decapitated twice in one set
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There is no way we don't have anyone better. That is the main reason for out offensive struggles IMO. That right side doesn't hold up at all in pass protection. Also, a lot of runs get blown up... or almost blown up by Hurd will break 6 tackles and fall forward for 4 :)
 
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I wouldn't give credit to CZA for JJ. Jennings is a natural. If anything, our WR'S seem to have gotten worse every year under CZA.
 
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For what it's worth (and I know probably not much coming from a Gator fan), I was never a big fan of Azzanni's work while he was in Gainesville. It felt like our receivers regressed in 2010 and, eventually, disappeared altogether.
 
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KBVol said:
Well said. A QB and his receivers need time, need game reps to develop rapport and get in a rhythm.....neither Dobbs nor the WRs were given that opportunity vs Florida
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Unless 'a QB' happens to be Nate Peterman starting a first game vs Florida. Then you ripped the young man to pieces declaring one-half of one game with a broken finger to be ample 'opportunity', while savaging the young Vol personally and questioning his intelligence.

Thy name is hypocrisy.
 
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Chas in Boca said:
For what it's worth (and I know probably not much coming from a Gator fan), I was never a big fan of Azzanni's work while he was in Gainesville. It felt like our receivers regressed in 2010 and, eventually, disappeared altogether.
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I have heard that from many people close to Florida. He seems like he is always doing stuff a different way in practice and in games that is just totally different than every other wr coach.
 
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Given the total lack of passing plays in games thus far and the substitution rotation it is very fair to say a passing game hasn't been given a chance. People have forgotten during the Fl. game what a great catch Pearson made for a td only to be called back. Given Butch's conservative mindset and a Michigan coach that is use to 3 yards and cloud of dust I am convinced it is not Dobbs.
 
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HankHill said:
There is no way we don't have anyone better. That is the main reason for out offensive struggles IMO. That right side doesn't hold up at all in pass protection. Also, a lot of runs get blown up... or almost blown up by Hurd will break 6 tackles and fall forward for 4 :)
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Kendrick just looks confused half of the game. And he is not quick at all on his feet. I personally would rather see him get called for a hold on some of these plays where Dobbs is essentially a sitting target for blitzes.
 
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I think we need a passing package installed that accommodates the limitations of our OLine and Dobbs erratic passing. Problem is that our OC is afraid to use the middle because of the interceptions likely when Dobbs misses. Still, we need to roll the dice and give Dobbs more opportunities to hit those slants and crosses that never get called. Not even calling these plays is on the OC. At least give Dobbs a chance. Just teach him to try and set his feet and shift weight forward when unloading the ball.

Dobbs is a weapon with the ball in his hand. If Dobbs doesn't prove he can move the ball passing, perhaps convert Dobbs to a receiver or TE.

No passing scheme is a loser. Coaches need to get this fixed fast.
I believe Dobbs may settle down a bit if we stop inviting opponents to stack the box.
 
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Dobbs is accurate on the -1 and -2 yard passes to the boundry, but I don't know about his accuracy down the field since we refuse to throw it down there. I'm no coach, but I do believe I could keep enough people in to block a couple times a quarter to see if he can hit someone over the middle or down the hash or how about a deep out - works for other teams.
 
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I agree that Dobbs would settle down if we start to throw the ball more. Defenses will have to sit back and not stack the box like they do now. However, what upsets me is that we don't use the height and athleticism of our WR's. The perfect example is the Dobbs throw to Pearson for a TD that was called back. Dobbs threw it up for Pearson to make a play and he did - I believe most of our receivers can, but we aren't giving them a chance. Even if our OL is bad, we cant still try 3-5 times a game to throw it up and let our WRs make a play.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs isn't accurate based on one pass to Josh Smith that he missed? Are you serious?

What about the 3 throws during the final possession? Including that beautiful sideline pass between the safety and linebacker to Kamara.

I personally haven't seen enough pass attempts from Dobbs to buy into this narrative that he's inaccurate.

Sure he's inconsistent right now. But who wouldn't given the limited pass attempts.
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Open your eyes
 
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