Why the negativity about our chances of hiring a great coach?

#51
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Cartervol said:
Pessimistic is more like it. It would require the UTAD stepping up making a statement hire. Not many have confidence they won't go digging around again at Bargain Hunt for a coach..It's what they do..
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I really don't know why this is so hard to understand.
 
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kckempf said:
The biggest problem I see is that without a big influx of money or taking on a lot of debt, we can't offer either a high salary or a high buyout. Whoever comes will have to get paid middle of the pack or worse in the SEC and their assistants will be in the same boat, and the fans will expect them to be competing for an SEC title in year 2. That means we should expect a very confident mid major coach who will bring in his own staff.
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You do realize the vols are the richest SEC team. In 2015 we were 3rd in the nation with football generated revenue at 121 million. Only Texas and Notre dame were higher (hint, schools with their own network).

Check last years....

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The problem is we just dont invest in football like other programs do, even ones who make less money, like Bama. They spend twice what we do while making less. Look close and you see a direct and convincing correlation between $$$ spent and success on the field. Our AD gets fat off fans and throws us table scraps.
 
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whobethis16 said:
It's 5 games in. You have no idea if it's just a bad year or not. This team still could finish 9-3 or 8-4.
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Well Vegas makes a livinv being right and they are banking heavily that Jones is the first coach fired from the SEC. Latest moneyline i saw.

Butch Jones -500
The second "favorite" is
Kevin Sumlin +350 and thats not even close.

So they are telling you that yes, this season is over. As usual Vegas will be right.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
Well Vegas makes a livinv being right and they are banking heavily that Jones is the first coach fired from the SEC. Latest moneyline i saw.

Butch Jones -500
The second "favorite" is
Kevin Sumlin +350 and thats not even close.

So they are telling you that yes, this season is over. As usual Vegas will be right.
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Yeah, they also had Oklahoma -30.5 last night. I would say they banked heavily on that, too.
 
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IMO, it's not negative - it's idiotic - for people to think that an established, big name winning coach at a good program will bolt for what at best is a lateral move...you have to take your orange tinted lenses off and be a bit more realistic...Jimbo? Dabo? Those just are realistic pursuits...

I also find it troubling that so many want to go after coaches who just took a job at a major school and are building a program...do we really want someone with the loyalty of a Lane Kiffin?

There are some good coaches out there and I hope we do a good job in the vetting process and get a short list of viable candidates so that we can move quickly when it's time to move...with the early signing day this year it's a going to be tricky...
 
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TNinSC said:
Buyouts dude. Fulmer's and Dooley's. Fulmer had a $6 mil buyout that was spread out over four years. So he received payments until the end of Dooley's third year as HC. Dooley's $5 mil "severance package" was just finalized ten months ago in December. Now add $9 million to CBJ. Looking ahead and guessing CBJ's will be let go in the next couple of months, that'll be $20 million spent just on head coaches buyouts since 2008. That doesn't include the coordinators who have buyout clauses in their contracts as well.
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Here's the sad thing. We've went cheap on coaches (Dooley and butch) instead of spending a couple million more and going for he home run. So we've had (or are going to have) to pay millions in severance. I mean our ad could be a manual of how to blow money and get no results. Why was hart hired to begin with? We all wondered that. And then he make the safe hire with butch. We all again shook our heads in disbelief. Now we get to pay millions and millions more in buyouts. How about the idiots in charge just spend that money on the front end and hire a can't miss guy.
 
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look at the above chart. It is very revealing.

Alabama takes in about the same as Tenn but they spend almost twice as much.

And the results are obvious.

Question--Why are we holding onto our money?

Does Alabama just know how to spend it more ore than everyone else?

We can afford to pay a coach--but we cannot afford not to!!!!!
 
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Sarms58 said:
IMO, it's not negative - it's idiotic - for people to think that an established, big name winning coach at a good program will bolt for what at best is a lateral move...you have to take your orange tinted lenses off and be a bit more realistic...Jimbo? Dabo? Those just are realistic pursuits...

I also find it troubling that so many want to go after coaches who just took a job at a major school and are building a program...do we really want someone with the loyalty of a Lane Kiffin?
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Get out of here with your reasonable, measured response.
 
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We are within a million dollars of the top coaches that is not named Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer.

Harbaugh is making 9 Million a year. How's that working out for Michigan? Not to good.

Just throwing big money out doesn't mean your going to win big. You win big then throw the bank at them to keep them.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
We are within a million dollars of the top coaches that is not named Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer.

Harbaugh is making 9 Million a year. How's that working out for Michigan? Not to good.

Just throwing big money out doesn't mean your going to win big. You win big then throw the bank at them to keep them.
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Agree with this completely.
However you have to pay enough to be competitive for suitable talent. Then put performance based incentives as raises.
 
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SobeVol said:
Agree with this completely.
However you have to pay enough to be competitive for suitable talent. Then put performance based incentives as raises.
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We are willing to pay big money. What nobody gets through their head is coaches turned us down even when offering big raises to them trying to get them to coach here.
 

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Look--we made 80 million profit

Alabama made less than 50 million profit from about the same income as Tenn

How smart does Currie have to be?????.
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's crazy to me that this is the popular topic in the middle of the season..and we've only lost 2 games.. ppl act like it's a fore-gone conclusion that butch is gone. He's not even gone yet
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Easy with the rational thought process. You'll throw the VN universe off kilter
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
We are within a million dollars of the top coaches that is not named Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer.

Harbaugh is making 9 Million a year. How's that working out for Michigan? Not to good.

Just throwing big money out doesn't mean your going to win big. You win big then throw the bank at them to keep them.
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What? Ranked in top ten. 4-1 record. Lost to a rival in a close game. Packed house. Great recruiting. He is worth every penny.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
We are willing to pay big money. What nobody gets through their head is coaches turned us down even when offering big raises to them trying to get them to coach here.
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Well, just raise the offer! Why do we set ourselves a limit lower than Alabama and Michigan?

Numbers indicate we can afford to pay more than either!!
 
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The powers that be in Alabama decided they wanted a former rival coach to be their new coach and went and got him, no matter the cost!

But we can't do that???
 
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rockydoc said:
What? Ranked in top ten. 4-1 record. Lost to a rival in a close game. Packed house. Great recruiting. He is worth every penny.
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Really??

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Honeymoon over: Harbaugh now 1-4 vs. Michigan's top rivals | theScore.com

Michigan State didn't just rain on Michigan's parade Saturday night, it ended the honeymoon period between Jim Harbaugh and the Wolverines' faithful.

For the second time in three years, Harbaugh suffered a devastating upset at the hands of the Spartans, as the Wolverines fell 14-10 on their home field. He's now 1-4 against Michigan State and Ohio State, the Wolverines' two greatest rivals.
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Lulz, yea he's worth it!
 
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