Why the disrespect?

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pimo1 said:
Why is Da'Rick Rogers so disrespected? It can't just be his supposed attitude because the disrespect had started well before that.

I just read a thread where a guy had his top 10 Heisman Hopefuls and included Justin Hunter and not Rogers. That is insane. Even if you think Hunter is better (which I do not) they are in the same zip code and Rogers has 2 things going for him that Hunter does not. A track record and no history of injury problems.

Before people get all bent out of shape I am in no way discounting Hunters talent. The dude is a taller, faster Denaruis Moore. He has better speed, height and hands. Now here is the thing.. the difference in speed and height is a bit overblown and basically offset by his better size and route running.

Hands so far is the big separator and in my mind a question mark because of their different play-styles. Hunter has a lot less contact, almost no underneath routes and is usually taking hits from CB's not safeties and LB's. Even in the NFL most WR's with a playstyle like Rogers develop a rep for drops for this exact reason. They take a lot bigger hits and that gets in your mind sometimes.

Rogers was the only WR we had for the bulk of last season. On top of that he was catching passes from not only 3 different QB's (I actually count it as 4 because Bray after injury threw a different ball) but three QB with totally different throwing styles.

Some will compare their performances early in the season when both played together but even that is apples to oranges. A lot of that was against lesser competition and it can be said Hunter has little to no track record of production against the big boys. Look at what Rogers did ALONE against what was probably the most stacked secondaries in the country of Bama and LSU.

If we turn the tables and Rogers goes down I am confident in thinking, even with a healthy Bray, Hunter couldn't have put up those numbers. He is not that type of guy.

Rogers is a 1 Hunter is a devastating 2. But he needs someone on the other side, they don't have to be great but he needs someone to take some attention off of him to produce. Rogers is going to put up numbers no matter what as long as the ball gets thrown to him.

This is why it infuriates me to see people throwing him in the slot and chucking Patterson in his spot. If anything it will be Patterson in the slot because lord knows Hunter can't go there. The only reason ever to put Rogers in the slot is for match-up reasons.

Sorry for the rant but this has been bothering me for most of the off season. I came in my fireproof pants but am cool with any flames as long as someone can please explain to me with something other than "I don't like his attitude" how in the heck anyone can think anyone but Rogers is the best WR in the SEC much less our roster.

All number 1 WR's are headcases....all of them. You have to be to play the position at that level.
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Good post. I agree, DR iz a man!
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Hunter is the more polished receiver with more explosive ability.
Rogers is gritty and incredible talented himself.
I hate that people want to pick and choose one when we have both! What's it matter who's best and who's second?? We have the two best receivers in any game we will play this year!
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do you even know what polished means?

Da'Rick is the more polished WR by any stretch of the imagination. Polished=Complete and Rogers is hands down the more complete WR.

Another silly thing I keep seeing people say is Da'Rick is not a deep threat. LMFAO. He might not be the deep threat Hunter is but he is a deep threat.

If you compared the 2 to guys in the NFL the closest comparisons would be Larry Fitzgerald and Denarius Moore/Sidney Rice.

Deep threats don't carry teams, the guy you can chuck it to in any situation is who carries a team. Name all the best WR's in NFL history who won something and carried their team who were known for the most part as deep threats. Go down the list of hall of famers and you'll notice the number of so called deep threats are pretty much non existent.

In recent history the only ones that come to mind with any real hall of fame chances are Moss and Steve Smith and I don't think Steve Smith is a first or second ballot Hall of Famer. Rice, Irvin, Owens, Fitzgerald, Sharpe. Real deal Hall of Fame WR's all strangely fall in the category of Rogers not Hunter.

Again I love the dude but I honestly would rather have Rogers than him any day attitude or not. Even Looking at highlight reels in my memory Rogers has more and don't say Hunter was hurt frailty is one of his big knocks in the first place.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Respectfully disagree...only because in games where both players played, hunter had better numbers.

But I think both players are able to make catches/plays that the other could not. But as far as Heisman talk goes, rogers does not have that homerun threat, huge yardage that a player needs to get those national votes you need to win it.

Good news is we have them both :) just my personal preference that I like that break away burst speed in a WR, I can show you a few catches last year by rogers that if he had just a little more speed, they would have went for a TD
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you obviously didn't read my post as I directly addressed that. Comparing their numbers when they played together is a bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1. Level of competition. Outside of one CB they played against suspect secondaries in those games.

2. When both are in the game their numbers feed off each other.

3. Dunno if anyone but me noticed but Bray is addicted to the deep ball so no matter what the play coverage or situation if a WR is running a deep route thats who he is gonna throw the ball to.
 
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terrypedigo said:
:huh:Drops to many to be elite.
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name me one WR with Rogers playstyle that does not have a high amount of drops... surely you can name one because I can but after that you run out of names. You can even use any name from history if you wish.

You just can say Rice because he is the G.O.A.T. and should never be mentioned in the same paragraph as mere humans.

Just saying.
 
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pimo1 said:
you obviously didn't read my post as I directly addressed that. Comparing their numbers when they played together is a bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1. Level of competition. Outside of one CB they played against suspect secondaries in those games.

2. When both are in the game their numbers feed off each other.

3. Dunno if anyone but me noticed but Bray is addicted to the deep ball so no matter what the play coverage or situation if a WR is running a deep route thats who he is gonna throw the ball to.
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By your own argument, Hunter should have the better season because he will be targeted the most. That validates my selection of Hunter as a top ten SEC Heisman candidate. I think your frustration is confusing your argument.
 
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The bottom line is, Rogers will never have the respect and fan support from the UT fanbase that Berry, Manning, Wilson had, no matter how crazy his numbers are, due to his attitude/behavior/rumors that have surrounded him since his arrival.. Hunter and Bray could get on another level than DaRick with support/respect.. I don't think its necessarily right, but that's how it is IMO... The majority of the fanbase will be more on Hunters side..
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
By your own argument, Hunter should have the better season because he will be targeted the most. That validates my selection of Hunter as a top ten SEC Heisman candidate. I think your frustration is confusing your argument.
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Having tghe better season if both play does not make him the better WR. And my argument clearly stated that take Rogers out of the picture and Hunter does not have nearly the season Rogers had. Good try but you made the mistake of taking one statement totally out of context.

Secondly just because Hunter would have gotten more deep targets does not mean he necessarily has the better season because as I also mentioned he would have faced much better secondaries. To this point I have not seen him consistently beat anything other than single coverage. I am wracking my brain to remember on Hunter TD caught in anything but single coverage. I similarly wrack it remembering a DR catch without at least 2 guys in the vicinity.. other than the time he drug Hunny bunny half a mile.

The only time Da'Rick ever got slowed down was end of season against vandy and uk with broke bray. I honestly think that was more about bray coming back before he should have than the fact both teams sold out double and triple covering him. You put Simms or Worley in either of those games and Da'Rick goes nuts on those fools. bray was just flat out broken and should have been rested till bowl season.
 
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pimo1 said:
Having tghe better season if both play does not make him the better WR. And my argument clearly stated that take Rogers out of the picture and Hunter does not have nearly the season Rogers had. Good try but you made the mistake of taking one statement totally out of context.

Secondly just because Hunter would have gotten more deep targets does not mean he necessarily has the better season because as I also mentioned he would have faced much better secondaries. To this point I have not seen him consistently beat anything other than single coverage. I am wracking my brain to remember on Hunter TD caught in anything but single coverage. I similarly wrack it remembering a DR catch without at least 2 guys in the vicinity.. other than the time he drug Hunny bunny half a mile.

The only time Da'Rick ever got slowed down was end of season against vandy and uk with broke bray. I honestly think that was more about bray coming back before he should have than the fact both teams sold out double and triple covering him. You put Simms or Worley in either of those games and Da'Rick goes nuts on those fools. bray was just flat out broken and should have been rested till bowl season.
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I never said one was better than the other. I said that Hunter would put up bigger numbers and flashier stats. That would make him the more viable Heisman candidate. You also pointed out that Bray's love of the deep ball leads to Hunter being targeted more frequently. That makes my prediction accurate. I'm not making that argument to say Rogers is less talented than Hunter. Both are talented and both have different skill sets. Both are exceptional at what they do. I don't say all this to diss Rogers because I believe he will be a very good pro and he already has been a great Vol.
 
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#37
So.... we are fighting over which of our recievers is a heisman candidate??? We have more than one to chose from and that's a problem how?
 
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It's a ridiculous argument all the way around. As much as I like both these guys neither will be sniffing a Heisman unless we can win twice as many games as last year. Someone said Rogers has been our most consistent player the last two years which may be true but he only had 11 catches his freshman year and last year his highest catch total agaist an SEC team not named Vanderbilt was 5. I'm not trying to knock Da'Rick but he had very average stats agaist good teams. Florida 5 catches, LSU 3 catches, Georgia 5 catches, South Carolina 4 catches, Alabama 2 catches. Agaist SEC teams not named Vanderbilt Da'Rick had 1 touchdown catch. Truth is Da'Rick is a great talent but teams know how to get in his head. I'm still glad he's on our team but he needs to continue to improve this year because he's not an elite receiver yet. Blast away.....
 
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pimo1 said:
do you even know what polished means?

Da'Rick is the more polished WR by any stretch of the imagination. Polished=Complete and Rogers is hands down the more complete WR.

Another silly thing I keep seeing people say is Da'Rick is not a deep threat. LMFAO. He might not be the deep threat Hunter is but he is a deep threat.

If you compared the 2 to guys in the NFL the closest comparisons would be Larry Fitzgerald and Denarius Moore/Sidney Rice.

Deep threats don't carry teams, the guy you can chuck it to in any situation is who carries a team. Name all the best WR's in NFL history who won something and carried their team who were known for the most part as deep threats. Go down the list of hall of famers and you'll notice the number of so called deep threats are pretty much non existent.

In recent history the only ones that come to mind with any real hall of fame chances are Moss and Steve Smith and I don't think Steve Smith is a first or second ballot Hall of Famer. Rice, Irvin, Owens, Fitzgerald, Sharpe. Real deal Hall of Fame WR's all strangely fall in the category of Rogers not Hunter.

Again I love the dude but I honestly would rather have Rogers than him any day attitude or not. Even Looking at highlight reels in my memory Rogers has more and don't say Hunter was hurt frailty is one of his big knocks in the first place.
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Who is the better route runner? Hunter
Who has better hands? Hunter
Who can get you that clutch first down on 3rd and 7 or blow the top off the defense at any time? Justin Hunter.
You wanna tell me he isnt more polished? He can't go over the middle?? WRONG! Just because he doesn't take the huge hit doesn't mean he isn't using the middle of the field.
Don't get me wrong DaRick is incredible. If I were an NFL franchise I'd be licking my chops to get either one. Darick may be more capable after the catch to turn something short into a long one with broken tackles, but JH is the second coming of Randy Mods without the attitude issues. If JH can stay healthy I think he's got the potential to be that good. I just do. Darick reminds me more of an anquan bolden or TO. Both guys are Pro level right now. But put me down as a firm believer that JH will be as good as advertised until the day he hangs it up.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
So.... we are fighting over which of our recievers is a heisman candidate??? We have more than one to chose from and that's a problem how?
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Sure is a great problem to have isn't it! The talent we are bringing to the table may finally be enough to make the other team turn the tape on and just say... Well damn. We may be in trouble here.
 
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The local media especially Hyams made Rogers look like a bad guy last year. I would think part of that reporting hurt him.

I can't believe anyone pays obey ounce of attention to Hyams.
 
#45
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GLDunlap said:
It's a ridiculous argument all the way around. As much as I like both these guys neither will be sniffing a Heisman unless we can win twice as many games as last year. Someone said Rogers has been our most consistent player the last two years which may be true but he only had 11 catches his freshman year and last year his highest catch total agaist an SEC team not named Vanderbilt was 5. I'm not trying to knock Da'Rick but he had very average stats agaist good teams. Florida 5 catches, LSU 3 catches, Georgia 5 catches, South Carolina 4 catches, Alabama 2 catches. Agaist SEC teams not named Vanderbilt Da'Rick had 1 touchdown catch. Truth is Da'Rick is a great talent but teams know how to get in his head. I'm still glad he's on our team but he needs to continue to improve this year because he's not an elite receiver yet. Blast away.....
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Who was the QB in those 3 games?
 
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ACvol3 said:
The bottom line is, Rogers will never have the respect and fan support from the UT fanbase that Berry, Manning, Wilson had, no matter how crazy his numbers are, due to his attitude/behavior/rumors that have surrounded him since his arrival.. Hunter and Bray could get on another level than DaRick with support/respect.. I don't think its necessarily right, but that's how it is IMO... The majority of the fanbase will be more on Hunters side..
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thats the sad truth. i was in his corner until he tweeted the crap about "losing a lot of recruits" they day wilcox left. i found that to be inflammatory and detrimental to the program . the only way hed ever reach manning/berry status in knoxville is to shock the world like peyton and come back for his senior season. thats just the way it is, i really think hes the best player the Vols have had since peyton.
 
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ochocinco said:
thats the sad truth. i was in his corner until he tweeted the crap about "losing a lot of recruits" they day wilcox left. i found that to be inflammatory and detrimental to the program . the only way hed ever reach manning/berry status in knoxville is to shock the world like peyton and come back for his senior season. thats just the way it is, i really think hes the best player the Vols have had since peyton.
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You think Da'Rick is better than Berry? Meachem? Mayo?

I think he's a great WR, but he's not the best player to come through Knoxville since Peyton.
 
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Lexvol said:
He will be respected when he stops taking plays off. It is as simple as that.
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I agree, but I would have a hard time not taking plays off when an overwhelmed freshman or Matt Simms was supposed to be getting me the ball.
 
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