Why the Blown Leads?

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Villainous_Vol

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I just read this article and wanted to share. It talks about why Tn has blown leads. It points out the mistakes that could have been avoided. Some of the mistakes it talks about were committed by Foreman. I will have to say...IMO...Foreman has improved a lot since then. If we get some of these issues under control, do you guys not think we will be headed in the right direction?

Why does Tennessee continue to blow big leads?
 
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pastorvol said:
Why the continuous articles and rumblings about blown leads?
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I have never posted articles or really talked about the blown leads on here. The reason I posted this is because people keep saying it was the coach's fault that we lost those games. They never mentioned the coach, they just talked about how these few mistakes cost us those games.
 
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MurphyVol said:
pastorvol said:
Why the continuous articles and rumblings about blown leads?[/QUOTE

Cause they keep doing it would be my guess. If they stop, the articles will stop.
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The teams that have come back to defeat us are very good teams. Just look at the results yesterday. We have not blown a lead and lost recently. We are two victories ahead of where we were this time last year. We are on the way to some good times in Tennessee. We need to focus on what's ahead, not what's behind!
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pastorvol said:
MurphyVol said:
The teams that have come back to defeat us are very good teams. Just look at the results yesterday. We have not blown a lead and lost recently. We are two victories ahead of where we were this time last year. We are on the way to some good times in Tennessee. We need to focus on what's ahead, not what's behind!
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Yeah, we are on our way. I said in my original post that if we get these mistakes under control, we are headed in the right direction. I said it in the form of a question, but I agree. I think we will be fine. We lost those games by making mistakes that cost us. Mistakes like those can be fixed.
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Villainous_Vol said:
pastorvol said:
Yeah, we are on our way. I said in my original post that if we get these mistakes under control, we are headed in the right direction. I said it in the form of a question, but I agree. I think we will be fine. We lost those games by making mistakes that cost us. Mistakes like those can be fixed.
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I agree. We are on the same page!
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if it's your team it's a blown lead, if it's the other team blowing lead it's a great comeback. These (blown leads) usually equal out over time, for losses Tenn. Had w big lead they Have had some go their way ..last yr. at South Carolina) and this yr. vs Georgia.
 
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The author isolates on two mistakes by Jumper, two mistakes by Foreman, one missed FG by Medley, and a fumble by Kamara across four of our games. Four players, six plays.

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Earlier in the season, I counted up 14 specific plays and decisions that--any one of them, just one--would have flipped the Oklahoma game outcome. Most by players not executing as well as they should, but a couple were coaching decisions, as well. The whole team--offense, defense, special teams, and coaching staff--lost that game.

Same with Florida. Though I didn't count up key "flip" plays, I'd bet there were a dozen or so.

Arkansas was a train wreck. I don't think you can boil that game down to any one or two or even three plays. We simply played abysmally (about as bad as against North Texas, without the talent buffer).

Alabama we played very well, we were just up against a superior, deeper and more seasoned team.

So, bottom line is, the author's perspective is far too simplistic. Shouldn't just point fingers at a few players and say they're the cause of 4th quarter comebacks by our opponents. Team wins, and team losses, every one of them.

Go Vols!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The author isolates on two mistakes by Jumper, two mistakes by Foreman, and one missed FG by Medley, across four of our games. Three players, five plays.

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Earlier in the season, I counted up 14 specific plays and decisions that--any one of them, just one--would have flipped the Oklahoma game outcome. Most by players not executing as well as they should, but a couple were coaching decisions, as well. The whole team--offense, defense, special teams, and coaching staff--lost that game.

Same with Florida. Though I didn't count up key "flip" plays, I'd bet there were a dozen or so.

Arkansas was a train wreck. I don't think you can boil that game down to any one or two or even three plays. We simply played abysmally (about as bad as against North Texas, without the talent buffer).

Alabama we played very well, we were just up against a superior, deeper and more seasoned team.

So, bottom line is, the author's perspective is far too simplistic. Shouldn't just point fingers at a few players and say they're the cause of 4th quarter comebacks by our opponents. Team wins, and team losses, every one of them.

Go Vols!
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Good thing youre an expert...LMAO.
 
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JohnD13 said:
Good thing youre an expert...LMAO.
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I'm far from an expert. That's the point. Even I could see 14 different places where the Oklahoma game could've gone the opposite way. Author's perspective is far too simplistic.

But thanks for adding value to the thread.
 
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How many of those games ended in us losing a key defender or 2 DURING the game? Imho...that is the reason. Individuals make and miss plays all game/season long. When you have no depth in the defensive trenches and people get hurt/ejected during the game, it effects the entire defense. No more push hurts the lbs. Tired pass rush hurts the dbs. We played teams with strong olines which eventually wore us out.

That said, it'd also be nice to have a kicker with more deep accuracy and or refs not let Oklahoma false start at will during game tying drives.
 
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There will always be injuries. There will always be players leaving, getting kicked off the team, etc. It is the coach's JOB to have a plan B.
When the 2016 class is complete in the spring, that will be 4 classes that have come in since Dooley. If there are still holes, what has Butch been trying to fill?
 
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VOLNPA said:
How many of those games ended in us losing a key defender or 2 DURING the game? Imho...that is the reason. Individuals make and miss plays all game/season long. When you have no depth in the defensive trenches and people get hurt/ejected during the game, it effects the entire defense. No more push hurts the lbs. Tired pass rush hurts the dbs. We played teams with strong olines which eventually wore us out.

That said, it'd also be nice to have a kicker with more deep accuracy and or refs not let Oklahoma false start at will during game tying drives.
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That is true about the false starts. I agree about the kicker too. I think he is gaining confidence though and I think he will get better. Now that he has hit the last few, I am hoping that he will do better from 50+.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
There will always be injuries. There will always be players leaving, getting kicked off the team, etc. It is the coach's JOB to have a plan B.
When the 2016 class is complete in the spring, that will be 4 classes that have come in since Dooley. If there are still holes, what has Butch been trying to fill?
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Well...2 of those plan Bs went down too. One broke a leg, the other has been out for weeks. Not to mention our best defensive player going out with a hip. 3 dl in 3 games with severe injuries. That doesn't even include obrien and the others with shorter terms issues. We have plenty of talent, but no experienced depth. That does matter.

That said, it's not an excuse 1 year from now. But this year it's a simple fact.
 
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Agree VolNPA, no more depth/young excuses after this coming recruiting class. This year was tough, but it is clear what we need. Bring em in coaches.
 
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That's the dumbest article I've ever read. So mistakes cause teams to lose. What a new concept.

Here is my take on low GPA for student athletes. When they don't answer questions correctly on tests, they will get a low score. Therefore, their GPA's will be lower.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The author isolates on two mistakes by Jumper, two mistakes by Foreman, one missed FG by Medley, and a fumble by Kamara across four of our games. Four players, six plays.

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Earlier in the season, I counted up 14 specific plays and decisions that--any one of them, just one--would have flipped the Oklahoma game outcome. Most by players not executing as well as they should, but a couple were coaching decisions, as well. The whole team--offense, defense, special teams, and coaching staff--lost that game.

Same with Florida. Though I didn't count up key "flip" plays, I'd bet there were a dozen or so.

Arkansas was a train wreck. I don't think you can boil that game down to any one or two or even three plays. We simply played abysmally (about as bad as against North Texas, without the talent buffer).

Alabama we played very well, we were just up against a superior, deeper and more seasoned team.

So, bottom line is, the author's perspective is far too simplistic. Shouldn't just point fingers at a few players and say they're the cause of 4th quarter comebacks by our opponents. Team wins, and team losses, every one of them.

Go Vols!
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Dead accurate.
 
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A thin defense. They get tired late and the damn offense won't try for a ****in first down to put the game away. There. That is why
 
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