Why Not Bill Bates

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madbamahater said:
Dumb analysis
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madbamahater said:
We don't need a special teams coach to recruit much.....We need him to ****ing coach.....teach how to tackle primarily.......you have another dumb analysis.
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madbamahater said:
This isn't true..........we don't think and want every legend/hero to come coach. Another dumb analysis....... Just stop. On another note; Bill bates would be one hell of a special teams coach anywhere. I think that is really the point here and yes he should be welcomed at UT anytime.....
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madbamahater said:
Oh. Name some...............
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These type of remarks are very typical coming from you, someone who thinks they know everything. Did you take the time to research Bates and coaching? I think not, I remember watching Bates play at UT, pound per pound he was tough, Reveiz at LB reminded me of Bates, a tough hardnosed football player but, that has nothing to do with his passion to want to coach at the college level.

I would think Bates enjoys watching his sons play on Saturday and spending time with his family. You are aware that he coached ST for 1 year at Jacksonville Jags in 2001? Now I don't pretend to know everything but, if he had been successful for the Jags and was passionate about coaching, doesn't common sense tell you he would have stayed in coaching at the highest level.

Bill chose to go back to highschool as an assistant coach because it affords him time for family, motivational speaking and to run his cattle ranch. If Bill wanted to move back to Knoxville where he was born and raised he would have done so long ago and would have contacted Fulmer about getting into coaching.

So go on with your rants and toot your horn all you wish but in the end you will be wrong and you will have to live with it.

Oh btw please don't let me down by not calling this post dumb as well, it seems to be the your #1 post to things on here when an opinion differs from yours

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madbamahater said:
Yes, that is part of it. He is also very intelligent when it comes to football sense and knows what it takes. How you could argue that he wouldn't be a good coach is the confusing part about all of this..... isn't he currently coaching anyway? I would guess you aren't currently coaching....
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I don't know what he is doing right now. He may be the BEST coach out there, I don't know. My point is that just because you were a great player, it dosn't mean you will be a great coach.

Teaching and doing are two different things.
 
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GmanTN said:
These type of remarks are very typical coming from you, someone who thinks they know everything. Did you take the time to research Bates and coaching? I think not, I remember watching Bates play at UT, pound per pound he was tough, Reveiz at LB reminded me of Bates, a tough hardnosed football player but, that has nothing to do with his passion to want to coach at the college level.

I would think Bates enjoys watching his sons play on Saturday and spending time with his family. You are aware that he coached ST for 1 year at Jacksonville Jags in 2001? Now I don't pretend to know everything but, if he had been successful for the Jags and was passionate about coaching, doesn't common sense tell you he would have stayed in coaching at the highest level.

Bill chose to go back to highschool as an assistant coach because it affords him time for family, motivational speaking and to run his cattle ranch. If Bill wanted to move back to Knoxville where he was born and raised he would have done so long ago and would have contacted Fulmer about getting into coaching.

So go on with your rants and toot your horn all you wish but in the end you will be wrong and you will have to live with it.

Oh btw please don't let me down by not calling this post dumb as well, it seems to be the your #1 post to things on here when an opinion differs from yours

:)
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Don't see the point to your post. The thread is basically about Bates being qualified or not for the job. Also, opinions are that he would be a good special teams coach at UT. Are you suggesting he wouldn't? If so then why?
 
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madbamahater said:
Don't see the point to your post. The thread is basically about Bates being qualified or not for the job. Also, opinions are that he would be a good special teams coach at UT. Are you suggesting he would? If so then why?
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Allow me to lay it out for you
Fact: Bates has never contacted UT about coaching here
Fact: Bates makes plenty of money doing his own thing
Fact: Bates doesn't even live in the city he grew up in, he has moved on with his life
Fact: Bates is a motivational speaker, why hasn't he contacted UT to do motivational speaking before some of our conference rival games, he has moved on
Fact: If any of the above were not true then yes I would say the passion for him to come to UT to coach would have merit.

I would think if someone was passionate about returning to their hometown and coaching at UT it would have happened long ago. I do agree we need passionate coaches on our staff but trying to make a case for Bates is just not a point worth trying to make.
 
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hog88 said:
Why don't you name me a few that have made the transition. For the life of me, outside of a couple NFL guys I'm having a hard time naming some great players that became great coaches.
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You see it more in basketball and baseball. There aren't too many great ex-football players that make it as head coaches (Ditka being an exception as well as Jim Harbaugh). There are some position coaches, though.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Clean house, imo, and give me Peyton, Al Wilson, Inky, Bill Bates, Dane Bradshaw, and bigvoldaddy ftw, gbo.

So much bleedin' orange that Neyland Stadium will need a tourniquet.
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Why don't we just fire the current staff, and then just start grabbing students off the street on their way to class? Surely, they have passion for the school. And, since football coaching experience is not at all necessary, that passion should translate into great coaches.

NOT!
 
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hog88 said:
Why don't you name me a few that have made the transition. For the life of me, outside of a couple NFL guys I'm having a hard time naming some great players that became great coaches.
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Here is a short list of some good or great players that became good or great coaches......all won at least one national title on the college level as a coach. They were all position coaches first (kinda like a special teams coach) and then climbed the ranks. But we aren't disputing Bates being a head coach, just a position coach, but here you go......

Steve Spurrier - All American, All SEC, Heisman winner, Hall of Fame as player
Phil Fulmer - All SEC as player, SEC Champ as player
Johnny Majors - All American, All SEC, 2nd Heisman, SEC MVP as player, Hall of Fame as player
Lou Holtz - not many notables, i hear good player (linebacker?)
Jimmy Johnson - All conference (SWC), won national title as player 1964

the list can go on and on. Most coaches played football and a lot were good/great as a player. Mike Leach comes to mind of never playing. I think he went to a special college to learn to be a coach, strangely enough.
 
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My thoughts...

GmanTN said:
Allow me to lay it out for you
Fact: Bates has never contacted UT about coaching here - Never said he has been. But you don't know this to be fact.
Fact: Bates makes plenty of money doing his own thing - you don't know this. Not always about money
Fact: Bates doesn't even live in the city he grew up in, he has moved on with his life - many people move for various reasons. A career change is one of them.
Fact: Bates is a motivational speaker, why hasn't he contacted UT to do motivational speaking before some of our conference rival games, he has moved on - don't know about speeches before rival games but he has been back to UT for several events and functions in the past and lots over the years.
Fact: If any of the above were not true then yes I would say the passion for him to come to UT to coach would have merit. - passion for him to come to UT to coach?......huh?

I would think if someone was passionate about returning to their hometown and coaching at UT it would have happened long ago. I do agree we need passionate coaches on our staff but trying to make a case for Bates is just not a point worth trying to make. - in this thread it is......... we are however talking about Bill Bates. My opinion is that he could get the job done. Never have I stated he will coach here, ever. I don't think he ever will.
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Boca Vol said:
You see it more in basketball and baseball. There aren't too many great ex-football players that make it as head coaches (Ditka being an exception as well as Jim Harbaugh). There are some position coaches, though.
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At first glance, I thought the title of this thread was "Why not Bill Battles?" :banghead2:
 
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GmanTN said:
These type of remarks are very typical coming from you, someone who thinks they know everything. Did you take the time to research Bates and coaching? I think not, I remember watching Bates play at UT, pound per pound he was tough, Reveiz at LB reminded me of Bates, a tough hardnosed football player but, that has nothing to do with his passion to want to coach at the college level.

I would think Bates enjoys watching his sons play on Saturday and spending time with his family. You are aware that he coached ST for 1 year at Jacksonville Jags in 2001? Now I don't pretend to know everything but, if he had been successful for the Jags and was passionate about coaching, doesn't common sense tell you he would have stayed in coaching at the highest level.

Bill chose to go back to highschool as an assistant coach because it affords him time for family, motivational speaking and to run his cattle ranch. If Bill wanted to move back to Knoxville where he was born and raised he would have done so long ago and would have contacted Fulmer about getting into coaching.

So go on with your rants and toot your horn all you wish but in the end you will be wrong and you will have to live with it.

Oh btw please don't let me down by not calling this post dumb as well, it seems to be the your #1 post to things on here when an opinion differs from yours

:)
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My comments about dumb post are people's opinions and comments disputing and claiming that all of us fans just want an entire staff laced with past Vol greats. To me that analysis is dumb and incorrect......That's all! Sorry your feelings and hurt.....
 
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madbamahater said:
Here is a short list of some good or great players that became good or great coaches......all won at least one national title on the college level as a coach. They were all position coaches first (kinda like a special teams coach) and then climbed the ranks. But we aren't disputing Bates being a head coach, just a position coach, but here you go......

Steve Spurrier - All American, All SEC, Heisman winner, Hall of Fame as player
Phil Fulmer - All SEC as player, SEC Champ as player
Johnny Majors - All American, All SEC, 2nd Heisman, SEC MVP as player, Hall of Fame as player
Lou Holtz - not many notables, i hear good player (linebacker?)
Jimmy Johnson - All conference (SWC), won national title as player 1964

the list can go on and on. Most coaches played football and a lot were good/great as a player. Mike Leach comes to mind of never playing. I think he went to a special college to learn to be a coach, strangely enough.
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Here's the difference that everybody is trying to make between these guys and Bates.

All these paid their dues by moving up through the coaching ranks. That is something Bates has not done and why he isn't qualified. Its really that simple. Doesn't mean Bates couldn't be good but he doesn't deserve a chance to prove that now at a place like Tennessee.
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YorkVol said:
I love Bill Bates, one of my all time favorite players. But there is a system in place, Sirmon is a good example. He comes on as a graduate assistant, learns from Thomson and Wilcox, proves he can coach. They bring him on as a full time assistant and give him a territory to recruit. He continues to do well, he can move up from position coach to be a coordinator etc, etc. Bates is older than Sirmon so if he wanted to be in the college coaching business he would be somewhere along that track. He isn't so, I'm guessing he doesn't want to be in the business.
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Or, one can take the Guz Malzone approach.
 
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hog88 said:
Why don't you name me a few that have made the transition. For the life of me, outside of a couple NFL guys I'm having a hard time naming some great players that became great coaches.
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Johnny Majors, Phillip Fulmer, and Steve Spurrier are three off the top of my head.
 
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hard to coach special team in K-town, when you want to live near the beach. Bill Bates has chosen the beach over the mountains. He will not be moving the knoxville. I love the mountains but thats just me. He is much better known as a Cowboy.
 
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YorkVol said:
I love Bill Bates, one of my all time favorite players. But there is a system in place, Sirmon is a good example. He comes on as a graduate assistant, learns from Thomson and Wilcox, proves he can coach. They bring him on as a full time assistant and give him a territory to recruit. He continues to do well, he can move up from position coach to be a coordinator etc, etc. Bates is older than Sirmon so if he wanted to be in the college coaching business he would be somewhere along that track. He isn't so, I'm guessing he doesn't want to be in the business.
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When he was at UT?? The reason I ask is because he wasn't close to being as good at UT as he was in the pros. He never threw his body around at UT like he did for Dallas. There's a reason he wasn't drafted. He's not one of the 15-20 better DBs to wear the orange. Sorry
 
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BJSforVols said:
Johnny Majors, Phillip Fulmer, and Steve Spurrier are three off the top of my head.
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Spurrier won the Heisman, but never really did anything professionally. Majors was a great player in a different era. Fulmer, while a good offensive guard, was never considered great by anyone.

The term great gets thrown around far too often, far too loosely by the uninformed masses

Very few great players go on to be good head coaches
 
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BJSforVols said:
Yes. As great as Bates but at a position which gets less publicity and an era before publicity existed as much.
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Once again, Bates was not a great player while at UT. If by your measure Bates was a great player, then what do you call guys like Dale Carter, Deon Grant, Eric Berry and Roland James? All of those players were in a different time zone of great than Bill Bates.

I suppose by some people's standards, everyone that played is great :ermm:
 
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