Why No RB Coach?...

#26
#26
vol66 said:
And does it hurt recruiting that position?

Frank Wilson-LSU
Curtis Luper -Auburn
Stan Drayton-Gators
Jay Graham - Cocks
Burton Burns - BAMA
Derrick Nix - Ole Miss

ETC...

Just seems like a really important position for us to be the only SEC team w/o a coach for that position. Do you think this hurts us in recruiting? Do you think it's hurt us getting a back, other than Smith, this year? Honest question. Thx.
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We have Jim Chaney. He coaches and recruits running backs.
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Ravenheart said:
We have Jim Chaney. He coaches and recruits running backs.
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Chaney doesn't work with the RBs much at all on the field. He mainly works with the OL with Hiestand. Fontenette and Dooley work with the RBs on a day-to-day basis.
 
#30
#30
A friend of mine in coaching told me coaching each position carries its unique challenges but RB is the easiest position to coach. A lot of freshman RBs make an impact in college and rookies in the NFL at the position based on talent.
 
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DaddyChad said:
A friend of mine in coaching told me coaching each position carries its unique challenges but RB is the easiest position to coach. A lot of freshman RBs make an impact in college and rookies in the NFL at the position based on talent.
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I could see how that could be true, I guess. However, when I went to college I definitely wanted to know who my position coach would be. I wanted to get to know him and in turn a little about the offense. Of course, you'd want to know the OC and his philosophy too. I mean, left on my own, I'd prolly look up Chaney's body of work at Purdue, check out the stats, how many carries/game, how many backs got over 1000 yards, how many backs went to the NFL, etc...
 
#32
#32
I've been wondering how a lot of other SEC and ACC schools are getting two 4 or 5 star RBs and we can't pull one when we've devoted so much time to it in recruiting. Don't get me wrong, I like Young and Smith, but this might be why we have trouble. No true position coach? I think it's time we change that and dedicate one person to it.
 
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UTitan98 said:
I've been wondering how a lot of other SEC and ACC schools are getting two 4 or 5 star RBs and we can't pull one when we've devoted so much time to it in recruiting. Don't get me wrong, I like Young and Smith, but this might be why we have trouble. No true position coach? I think it's time we change that and dedicate one person to it.
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And which position coach would you sacrifice to do that? You really think they don't have people dedicated to the position even though they don't have someone holding the title?
 
#34
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DaddyChad said:
And which position coach would you sacrifice to do that? You really think they don't have people dedicated to the position even though they don't have someone holding the title?
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I'm not saying people aren't dedicated to the position. All I'm saying is that this is the only time I've seen us without a RB coach in the 15 years I've been a Vol fan and it seems like the first year in a long time we've had a problem recruiting RBs. No one can seem to agree on the official RB coach and this might be part of the problem.
 
#36
#36
"I think it hurts them in recruiting and I think it hurt them in some technique stuff particularly in pass protection." -Hubbs
 
#37
#37
People complained about not having a special teams coach for so long. This is the trade off. Personally I like the coaching breakdown better now. It seems like RB would be one of the easier positions to handle with a GA and/or coach by committee.
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#38
#38
Running is largely talent. Blocking technique, reading blocking assignments and running routes are coaching - particularily with guys coming out of high school that usually haven't been asked to do any of those things because most D1 running backs were handed the ball 15 times a half.
 
#39
#39
I think Hubbs almost nailed the answer -- he should have said "the lack of a good RB coach is hurting recruiting and it hurt the performance of our running backs all through the season because of a lack of teaching proper technique and fundamentals".

First, how it hurts recruiting. Chino Fontenette has no resume as a RB coach and was a minor player at Tulane in college, so he has no name recognition to help us with recruiting like a top running back in college (think Jay Graham) might would have. The really bad news is that without that, all that top recruits have to look at is what he did with our RB's this year and he obviously did nothing. That is the problem in recruiting.

As far as teaching proper technique and fundamentals is concerned, that is the critical underlying problem of everything. It is not that we did not have a RB coach this year -- we did. The problem is that Chino Fontenette did a very poor job as RB coach.

Our RB's ran poorly, were even more ineffective at pass blocking, and were the only unit on the field that were worse at the end of the year than they were at the beginning of the season even though they suffered no injuries and played with exactly the same players all season. Poole and Neal especially got worse -- both of them contracted "Oku-itis", dancing around far too much rather than hitting the hole.

As I said, it is not that we lack a RB coach -- we have one. The problem is that he has no personal resume to help recruiting and more importantly he did a very poor job of coaching our RB's this season.

mlsoft
 
#40
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mlsoft said:
I think Hubbs almost nailed the answer -- he should have said "the lack of a good RB coach is hurting recruiting and it hurt the performance of our running backs all through the season because of a lack of teaching proper technique and fundamentals".

First, how it hurts recruiting. Chino Fontenette has no resume as a RB coach and was a minor player at Tulane in college, so he has no name recognition to help us with recruiting like a top running back in college (think Jay Graham) might would have. The really bad news is that without that, all that top recruits have to look at is what he did with our RB's this year and he obviously did nothing. That is the problem in recruiting.




As far as teaching proper technique and fundamentals is concerned, that is the critical underlying problem of everything. It is not that we did not have a RB coach this year -- we did. The problem is that Chino Fontenette did a very poor job as RB coach.

Our RB's ran poorly, were even more ineffective at pass blocking, and were the only unit on the field that were worse at the end of the year than they were at the beginning of the season even though they suffered no injuries and played with exactly the same players all season. Poole and Neal especially got worse -- both of them contracted "Oku-itis", dancing around far too much rather than hitting the hole.

As I said, it is not that we lack a RB coach -- we have one. The problem is that he has no personal resume to help recruiting and more importantly he did a very poor job of coaching our RB's this season.

mlsoft
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While I'd like to agree...with you and Hubbs, afterall, that's the answer I was looking for. Poole came in 5th in the SEC in rushing. With only 204 carries. He rushed for just over 1000 yards on only 204 carries. He averaged 5.1 yds/carry. So, given our young line, that is not NOTHING.

I agree with you that we need someone(RB coach or other) to inform potential RB's that we DO want to run the football, even though we have a good QB and are loaded at receiver.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conferences/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2010/id/8/sec-conference
 
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jjay2518 said:
People complained about not having a special teams coach for so long. This is the trade off. Personally I like the coaching breakdown better now. It seems like RB would be one of the easier positions to handle with a GA and/or coach by committee.
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Exactly our special teams have blown for several years; it is about time we addressed the position. Our coverage units were better than I've seen in a while just have to add some talent at PR and we're good. You just can't have a coach for every position.
 
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