Why Josh Deserves The Criticism

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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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I don’t like it when people assume responsibility over EVERYTHING that happens in a game on the coach. I get it, everyone wants to claim responsibility but let’s be honest with ourselves here. Players not executing plays that the coach put them in position to execute is not the coach’s fault. Don’t care how many times you say it’s his responsibility or any of that. Because if they’re in position in the first place, that means they’ve executed before. They were COACHED. And sometimes they don’t execute. It’s part of the game. Only 3 active coaches in college football have won a championship. I’d rather have Heupel than anyone other than those 3 to be honest. You say he’s slow to adapt, but he’s INVENTING. People are adapting HIS offense. How many times did you see Alabama or Georgia run tempo before Heupel? Watch a game or two today and come back to me.
 
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Teezy said:
I don’t like it when people assume responsibility over EVERYTHING that happens in a game on the coach. I get it, everyone wants to claim responsibility but let’s be honest with ourselves here. Players not executing plays that the coach put them in position to execute is not the coach’s fault. Don’t care how many times you say it’s his responsibility or any of that. Because if they’re in position in the first place, that means they’ve executed before. They were COACHED. And sometimes they don’t execute. It’s part of the game. Only 3 active coaches in college football have won a championship. I’d rather have Heupel than anyone other than those 3 to be honest. You say he’s slow to adapt, but he’s INVENTING. People are adapting HIS offense. How many times did you see Alabama or Georgia run tempo before Heupel? Watch a game or two today and come back to me.
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I heard two handfuls of former NFL players say the exact same thing about execution yesterday on the talk shows.
 
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How is being in championship contention (occasionally making playoffs) mediocre? You just start being a fan in 2022? If you want to see mediocre, check out the last 2 decades of Tennessee football before Josh Heupel.

Does he have some flaws? Yes. Now name me a coach without them.

Every coach in America has clocked management issues, the beauty of hindsight highlights it. Complain when it happens by all means, because it will happen, no matter which team you are watching.

QB eval and development is the last thing I would complain about with Heupel. He took 3 mediocre QBs and turned 2 of them into stars and one into serviceable.
 
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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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Well said on alot of points. The DB issue is a Willie Martinez. Haven't cared for him since the 1st time he coached here. Heuple does seem lost and unprepared when it's time for game management. Terrible actually. When you have millions of people thinking the same thing, pleading at the TV, what are you doing. Call timeout! Do this or that and the camera cuts to him looking lost as last year's Easter eggs.
 
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#82
UTFanForLife said:
How is being in championship contention (occasionally making playoffs) mediocre? You just start being a fan in 2022? If you want to see mediocre, check out the last 2 decades of Tennessee football before Josh Heupel.

Does he have some flaws? Yes. Now name me a coach without them.

Every coach in America has clocked management issues, the beauty of hindsight highlights it. Complain when it happens by all means, because it will happen, no matter which team you are watching.

QB eval and development is the last thing I would complain about with Heupel. He took 3 mediocre QBs and turned 2 of them into stars and one into serviceable.
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Thats not mediocrity. Those times were dumpster fires, bottom of the SEC times. Embarrassing and newly, can't make up ways to lose years.
 
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#83
superdave1984 said:
My biggest gripe with Heupel is he historically has teams with really good or great offenses and bad defenses. There have been a couple of outlier years mixed in. This was something I was not thrilled about when we hired him. He has built the Vols up out of a pathetic situation that nobody really wanted to take on. His weakness is not making personnel changes when they need to be made. I think we have the athletes, we just are not getting the most out of them on defense. Tackling is bad and there are often guys out of position. It isn't that Heupel doesn't know this and you can tell from his press conferences he is frustrated with it. HOWEVER, it is on him to get it fixed one way or another. He simply has to cut bait with some people on the coaching staff and find better replacements. Heck, Orgeron would be an upgrade for D coordonator. osu went off script when they hired Matt Patricia and they have just curb stomped everyone with their defense. Heupel needs to do the same.
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How do you know a guy who has never been a DC would be an upgrade? Come on now.
 
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zjcvols said:
Poster thinks head coach that won a national title as the starting QB and was a Heisman finalist after starting his career in JUCO and tearing his ACL might not have burning desire to win.

Sure, Jan.
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From what I’ve heard and read Huepel is the most competitive person that none of us most likely don’t know.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I did. The reason he shouldn't be fired has absolutely nothing to do with all the current coaching changes. The reason that it would be stupid is because Heupel brought this program back to life. Except for the first year we have had a top 5, top ten and top 20 finish in the first four years after taking over a dumpster fire with a massively depleted roster. Does there need to be improvements? Yes, of course, but he can't do anything about how we lost the other night during the week in practice. Heupel has us on track right now. He must improve his clock management but that isn't a tough fix.
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He needs to replace 2 coordinators who are underperforming and get a real S&C coach that won’t put up with the softness. I like CJH, but we are headed to 7-5 in Year 5, and it has nothing to do w Nico.
 
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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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You could’ve just said “I don’t understand football” and saved yourself a lot of typing
 
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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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Love the passion. That’s what makes Vol Nation great. But let’s unpack this with a little football logic.

No one being honest is saying Josh Heupel doesn’t deserve criticism. There are real issues to fix. But labeling him “mediocre” or saying he’s capped ignores how modern college football actually works: roster cycles, injuries, and personnel-based adjustments drive everything.

Clock Management: Sure, some end-of-half situations have looked messy, but the idea that Heupel “doesn’t know the rules” is a stretch. Most tempo coaches have an assistant tracking the clock, timeouts, and situational risk. That process can be tighter, absolutely. But this offense plays a different game Possession count and tempo matter as much as the clock. Heupel often shortens halves to limit the opponent’s final drive. That’s not ignorance; it’s a calculated tradeoff.

Adaptation and Scheme: Calling him stubborn doesn’t fit. He’s changed his offense every season based on personnel. With Hooker, it was vertical tempo. With Milton, more ball control. With Nico, we’re seeing more RPOs and quick reads. That’s adjusting to your roster, not refusing to evolve. Defensively, yes, Tim Banks needs to tweak coverage technique and run fits when the front four can’t get home. That’s a staff-level correction, not Heupel ignoring problems.

Talent Evaluation: The “bad QB eval” take doesn’t hold water. Hooker was a transfer Heupel developed into a Heisman contender. Milton improved under him. Nico is a five-star that everyone wanted. You don’t bench experienced SEC players just to test potential. Development has been solid; Jaylen Wright, Omari Thomas, and others turned into NFL-caliber guys under this staff.

Preparedness and Execution: Outside of the South Carolina game last year, this team has not looked unprepared. They’ve been out-executed when depth gets exposed. That’s the difference between programs still building and those sitting on two-deep five-star rosters. Georgia and Bama can survive attrition because their second string would start anywhere. Tennessee is still closing that gap. That’s not on Heupel’s preparation; that’s the natural climb.

Roster Management: Losing top-end defensive talent hurts, but that’s part of building a program. The staff did hit the portal, even if not every piece panned out. The bigger issue was secondary attrition, and that likely came down to NIL and playing time. You can’t keep every transfer-hungry player in this era, especially when other schools are flashing money and a starting spot.

Fair Critiques:
-Tackling consistency
-Secondary depth and portal retention
-Conservative play calling after turnovers

All valid, all fixable.

Bottom Line: Heupel isn’t perfect, but Tennessee is still ahead of schedule. The system works, recruiting is improving, and the program is nationally relevant again. The difference between good and elite right now is depth and time; not coaching blindness.
 
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VolTom1 said:
I disagree with part of what you said. Do you think Josh knew Joey would be as good as he has been? Josh twice now has evaluated QB's wrong, he thought Joe Milton was better than Hendon Hooker, and he thought Nico was worth 8 million dollars. I just doubt him, I think he lucked up into not having a losing season this season due to Nico's greed. I hope Josh makes some personal changes and we can forget about all of these and go win a natty.
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If Josh Heupel had just a few months to evaluate two transfer QBs to decide on a start for his first season at a new school, what exactly was he supposed to base his decision on other than how those two QBs performed in practice? From all accounts, Milton outperformed Hooker in practice. It's easy to say he evaluated them wrong after Hooker got into games and performed the way he did. Saying he thought Nico was worth 8 million dollars is quite assumptive. That is the QB he recruited and the deal he agreed to with the collective(if those numbers are accurate). Also, playing hypothetical games based on what you think would happen is not really an exact science.
 
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TikiVol said:
He needs to replace 2 coordinators who are underperforming and get a real S&C coach that won’t put up with the softness. I like CJH, but we are headed to 7-5 in Year 5, and it has nothing to do w Nico.
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Our S&C coach isn't a real coach?

I'm not sure you are qualified to judge whether or not a coordinator is "underperforming". Check that. I know you're not
 
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VolTom1 said:
Sounds like you are one of those people who have never achieved anything besides mediocrity in his entire life.
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I just want to say I am mediocre in life and I’m cool with the Vols also being mediocre. Perfectly content with where we’re at. No blue font.
 
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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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My god post your coaching resume
 
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Peradox1K said:
Yeah... no. Player execution and mistakes caused our three loses and we're off our rockers for it. Not CJH's fault at all.
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Not sure I would say CJH is NOT AT ALL responsible for our loses. He was definitely a contributor with questionable play calling, poor clock management, and overall game management.
 
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zjcvols said:
He isn't the best coach in college football and trust me, the clock management stuff is driving me insane. But this whole "he will never win a title" or "We will never be elite" is so dumb. Spoiled ass fanbase.
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Ahhh, come on man. 27 years without a SEC title and we still sell out games.

No, we don't need to fire JH but we have every right to be antsy. Three decades at UT with no conf titles isn't acceptable.
 
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