Why is UT 0-3 in the Sec Championship Game and 2-5 in Bowl Games this decade?

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The SEC conference almost always have a winning record in bowl games, but UT is 2-5 this decade:

L 01-02-2000 21 Nebraska 31 Fiesta Bowl
L 01-01-2001 21 Kansas St. 35 Cotton Bowl
W 01-01-2002 45 Michigan 17 Florida Citrus Bowl
L 12-31-2002 3 Maryland 30 Peach Bowl
L 01-02-2004 14 Clemson (SC) 27 Peach Bowl
W 01-01-2005 38 Texas A&M 7 Cotton Bowl
L 01-01-2007 10 Penn State 20 Outback Bowl

and 0-3 in the SEC Championship Game. Why do you think the post season play has been so bad?
 
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the only teams on that list that were decent teams were the two SEC Championship game teams, 2001 and 2004. Otherwise, not very talented teams.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The two Tennessee teams that won bowl games were pretty decent. The Tennessee teams that lost bowl games were mediocre. Almost all of the bowl opponents were pedestrian.
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tongue in cheek. I completely agree. Combine the mediocrity with the lost shepherd and you get.....exactly the results we've had.
 
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Talent level and qb play. Not saying either clausen was terrible. But UT would be better served with a mobile qb that can make things happen with his legs. Clausen's both of them and ainge were stiffs. Can't keep teams honest when the qb is no threat to run.
 
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Cartervol said:
Talent level and qb play. Not saying either clausen was terrible. But UT would be better served with a mobile qb that can make things happen with his legs. Clausen's both of them and ainge were stiffs. Can't keep teams honest when the qb is no threat to run.
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That logic would have had Sterling Hinton playing ahead of Andy Kelly and Brandon Stewart starting over Peyton Manning.
 
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that Maryland thrashing felt very similar to this year's AL game. Getting absolutely drilled by an inferior team is just an awful feeling.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That logic would have had Sterling Hinton playing ahead of Andy Kelly and Brandon Stewart starting over Peyton Manning.
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Nah there are exceptions. I'am stating that right now with the talent level such as it is. In my opinion we need a guy with more mobility. We play a prostyle offense but when we don't execute there is always the option of the qb taking off and getting the necessary yardage. We don't pose that threat and it reared its ugly head more than once against quality opponents this year.
 
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oklavol said:
The SEC conference almost always have a winning record in bowl games, but UT is 2-5 this decade:

L 01-02-2000 21 Nebraska 31 Fiesta Bowl
L 01-01-2001 21 Kansas St. 35 Cotton Bowl
W 01-01-2002 45 Michigan 17 Florida Citrus Bowl
L 12-31-2002 3 Maryland 30 Peach Bowl
L 01-02-2004 14 Clemson (SC) 27 Peach Bowl
W 01-01-2005 38 Texas A&M 7 Cotton Bowl
L 01-01-2007 10 Penn State 20 Outback Bowl

and 0-3 in the SEC Championship Game. Why do you think the post season play has been so bad?
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Two words as to why we have a losing record in big games.

"Phil Fulmer" - "he's our guy and done great" according to our medicore excepting Athletic Director. 9-4 is a tremendous season, never thought I'd see the day were we are satisfied w/ 9-4.

Last year's bowl debacle was the worst I've ever seen, we lost to an AWFUL P.S.U. team. I hope we lose again this year but Wisconsin is so bad I believe even Phil and his awful bowl record can win.

We should have won the '01 & '07 sec championship but we didn't, '04, that was a good team (Auburn that is). We were badly outcoached in the '01 game. Fortunate for us this year Miles couldn't out-coach a pee wee team or we would have been hammered but we simply lost the game last week b/c our overrated qb and some crucial drops by our wideouts, I don't put last week on Phil and his staff, I don't think they done anything special for us to win the game but they didn't lose it either. Should have had some "balls" and used G-Gun more. "Rut" is way too scared to actually let him throw the ball, heck let 'em throw one of our "deep throws" - which is ten yards downfield. Any pass over 5 yards in UT's offense is considered a big gamble. We hate throwing beyond the sticks.

Another about Fulmer's motto is - no passes over the middle when offense is backed up in field position, I've heard this quote from UT assts in coaching clinics. That's probably why the LSU db jumped the route on Ainge's key INT. He definitely knew we weren't going deep and thru the years probably knew by film that they'd never throw over middle in that situation.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that Maryland thrashing felt very similar to this year's AL game. Getting absolutely drilled by an inferior team is just an awful feeling.
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i remember that tub of lard friedgen making the comment after the game that UT "tackled about like wake forest" (the old wake forest). the truth hurts sometimes.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That logic would have had Sterling Hinton playing ahead of Andy Kelly and Brandon Stewart starting over Peyton Manning.
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with all due respect, that logic is more modern. I'm an "old soul" too, but I think you have to take into consideration the context of time.

You have to take into consideration the context of the current game, because let's be honest, we're ONLY talking about how you can win NOW -- not how we USED to win. Execution is a big part of football, of course, and i'm not throwing in the towel on traditional SEC football, BUT with our poor success rate on 3rd down, a mobile QB could make all the difference in the world. It's a lot easier to call a 3rd and 4 pass play if you've got somebody back there that can run for the 1st down.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
was Shuler there when Kelly was there?, and maybe Tee Martin Over Peyton instead
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I just think today's game has evolved to where you need a guy that can scramble a little bit. There is always going to be a place for guys like kelly and manning their talent would win them the starting spot pretty much anywhere. You can't argue with our track record when we have had mobile guys. I remember some pretty good years with heath and of course we all know what tee did.
 
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utvolpj said:
big UT fan huh?
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I am a UT fan but what does it matter if we win the Outback Bowl this year - what's the difference between 9-5 or 10-4, both are medicore seasons, 10 win seasons are good when you only play 12 games, when you play 14 games you should always win at least 10. I'd just assume lose and maybe just maybe during this generation I'll get to see someone coach the big orange. Fulmer is outdated, at one time he had this program at the top level but now we're back to a top 25 program..

The man is 23-14 in his last three years. It don't matter what he did in 1942, what has he done the last 3-4 yrs. He hasn't won a conference championship in nine years.

Fulmers 0-3 v/s Urban Meyer (0-4 after next Sept) he can't beat Saban, this year's Ala team couldn't beat Knox Catholic but Saban could beat Fulmer with Gibbs High School team. He wins every other year v/s Richt..

If 2-5 in bowl games is good enough to keep you around maybe if we lose the next few we'll see a change.
 
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Mullet said:
with all due respect, that logic is more modern. I'm an "old soul" too, but I think you have to take into consideration the context of time.

You have to take into consideration the context of the current game, because let's be honest, we're ONLY talking about how you can win NOW -- not how we USED to win. Execution is a big part of football, of course, and i'm not throwing in the towel on traditional SEC football, BUT with our poor success rate on 3rd down, a mobile QB could make all the difference in the world. It's a lot easier to call a 3rd and 4 pass play if you've got somebody back there that can run for the 1st down.
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Yeah, Matt Leinart, Ken Dorsey, and Craig Krenzel were real speed demons. Chris Leak was a regular Michael Vick.
 
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