Why is this even considered a Rivalry?

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volbound1700 said:
Tennessee has two recognized by AP 1998 and 1951

Georgia has two just under Smartt plus 1980. Georgia also has more SEC Championships than Tennessee all-time

LSU has three this Century (2003, 2007, 2019)

Better programs. Tennessee was a DOMINATE program in the 1950s and before but so was Minnesota, Yale, etc. No one cares about that by gone era anymore. Tennessee should be measured on what they have done this Century which is NOTHING.
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Why do most Alabama people consider us their biggest rival? How many wins do Georgia, LSU, Florida and Auburn have versus Alabama? Not more than Tennessee.
 
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CR-vol said:
Why do most Alabama people consider us their biggest rival? How many wins do Georgia, LSU, Florida and Auburn have versus Alabama? Not more than Tennessee.
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Well Alabama fans are not very smart. Tennessee is a lot like Nebraska. Our glory days are gone and may never return. Heck, our true Glory Days were Neyland which was 1920s - 1950s (before television). We had a kind of good run with Fulmer (only got 2 SEC titles and the National). Heupel has had some decent seasons but for most part we are a pretty mediocre program overall. No where near Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, etc. who all compete and win titles.

Tennessee doesn't have the in-state football talent or resources to compete anymore.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Well Alabama fans are not very smart. Tennessee is a lot like Nebraska. Our glory days are gone and may never return. Heck, our true Glory Days were Neyland which was 1920s - 1950s (before television). We had a kind of good run with Fulmer (only got 2 SEC titles and the National). Heupel has had some decent seasons but for most part we are a pretty mediocre program overall. No where near Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, etc. who all compete and win titles.

Tennessee doesn't have the in-state football talent or resources to compete anymore.
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Clemson is horrible and LSU lost to Vandy today. Maybe we’ll lose to Vandy too but those teams are not any better than UT. And Georgia will lose one or two more. They’re not sniffing a title this year.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
Clemson is horrible and LSU lost to Vandy today. Maybe we’ll lose to Vandy too but those teams are not any better than UT. And Georgia will lose one or two more. They’re not sniffing a title this year.
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They have more than one Championships since 2000. I am not going off a single season, I am going off performance over the last 25 years. Clemson and LSU are far better than Tennessee from that perspective.
 
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volbound1700 said:
LOL you forget Bear Bryant as well who won MORE titles than Tennessee all-time as well and dominated Tennessee.

Gene Stallings won won as well in 1992. Going off the claimed titles even before Saban, Alabama had 12 to Tennessee's 6. That is twice as much. They also had twice as many SEC Titles. You also fail to point out that 75% of Tennessee's success is 1950s and earlier.

Even Pre-Manning era, Alabama was sporting something like 10-11 years of constant wins over Tennessee. Tennessee has NEVER done that to any of our rivals not named UK and Vandy.
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Ok, well, you've clearly decided that Tennessee's over and done with and will never be competitive again. Noted. Got it. So why bother? Why be a fan of a mediocre "dog crap program that doesn't deserve to hold mighty Alabama's jock strap" anyway?
 
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volbound1700 said:
They have more than one Championships since 2000. I am not going off a single season, I am going off performance over the last 25 years. Clemson and LSU are far better than Tennessee from that perspective.
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That’s going back 25 years though. If you’re doing that then sure, those programs have been much better than UT especially from 2009 - 2020.
 
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We are a relic of the past we have a rich old history of tradition with Bama but it’s old history, we haven’t won a national title and SEC championship in 27 years that’s our longest drought ever for a SEC title and that won’t change this season. Bama just like Florida and Georgia have dominated us since 2000.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
That’s going back 25 years though. If you’re doing that then sure, those programs have been much better than UT especially from 2009 - 2020.
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LSU won a title in 2019. Clemson won their conference last year, something Tennessee is INCAPABLE of Doing. You have to be in your late 30s to even see the last time Tennessee won a title.

Kids can watch Clemson under Dabo or LSU with Joe Burrow being dominant.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Well Alabama fans are not very smart. Tennessee is a lot like Nebraska. Our glory days are gone and may never return. Heck, our true Glory Days were Neyland which was 1920s - 1950s (before television). We had a kind of good run with Fulmer (only got 2 SEC titles and the National). Heupel has had some decent seasons but for most part we are a pretty mediocre program overall. No where near Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, etc. who all compete and win titles.

Tennessee doesn't have the in-state football talent or resources to compete anymore.
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You're a troll. Tennessee is fine. If Vanderbilt can go from a joke to absolutely whipping Alabama and stunning the world in one year and a legit playoff team the next then we'll be ok.

Tennessee has 40 victories over Alabama all time, Auburn has 37, LSU has 27, Georgia has 26, Florida has 14. No-one else in FBS is even close to us or Auburn so your title to the post is way off, yes it's a rivalry.
 
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CR-vol said:
You're a troll. Tennessee is fine. If Vanderbilt can go from a joke to absolutely whipping Alabama and stunning the world in one year and a legit playoff team the next then we'll be ok.

Tennessee has 40 victories over Alabama all time, Auburn has 37, LSU has 27, Georgia has 26, Florida has 14. No-one else in FBS is even close to us or Auburn so your title to the post is way off, yes it's a rivalry.
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Has Vanderbilt won anything?

Frankly, go watch Uncle Lou, he is right. We are on his "We're Back" list because we haven't won Jack. I want us to WIN something for once. Kind of like we are a joke in Basketball too because we can't make a Final Four.

Beating a team is nice, win a Championship for once in something that matters.

We are the laughing stock of College Football with the 1998 Forever meme and no titles this Century.

No one takes Vandy seriously. I mean, FSU beat Alabama this year. What good did that do for them?

Since 2000, ever major SEC program has won a National Title except Tennessee:

Auburn - 2010

Alabama - 6 under Saban

Texas - 2005

Oklahoma - 2000

LSU - 2003, 2007, 2019

Georgia - 2022, 2023

Florida - 2006, 2008

Tennessee - 0, NADA, NOTHING, not even a Conference Title!
 
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I don't care about basketball or any other mediocre sport. Go find another team to cheer for. Looks like you're deep throating Alabama already I'm sure they'll be glad to have you.
 
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CR-vol said:
You're a troll. Tennessee is fine. If Vanderbilt can go from a joke to absolutely whipping Alabama and stunning the world in one year and a legit playoff team the next then we'll be ok.

Tennessee has 40 victories over Alabama all time, Auburn has 37, LSU has 27, Georgia has 26, Florida has 14. No-one else in FBS is even close to us or Auburn so your title to the post is way off, yes it's a rivalry.
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No one cares. How many of Tennessee's victories have been in the modern era? How many losses does Tennessee have? Auburn has far more losses from what I understand because they play Alabama less. We have played Alabama more than a lot of teams.

I hope we will be ok but it hasn't looked that way lately. Maybe 2026 will be our year (I have been saying that since 1998).
 
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Bama is 17-2 over the last 19 games. Yep, that’s domination by any standard. And yes that was Saban. It has evened out the last 4 years . . . But 17-2 over 19 years time is UT over UK over Vandy level stuff. I hate it, but it’s what it is.

Having said that . . . From a historical perspective, yes it is a rivalry.
 
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Alabama verses several teams for an understanding of WHY Tennessee is Alabama's key rivalry.

Georgia: They have played 75 games with Bama leading the series 45-26-4
Auburn: They have played 89 games with Bama leading the series 51-37-1.
Florida: They have played 41 games with Bama leading the series 27-14.
LSU: They have played 89 games with Bama leading the series 57-27-5.
Tennessee: The series has been played 107 games with Bama leading the series 60-40-7.

At the point that Saban took over the series was 43-38-7. Saban took over in 2007. Fulmer was fired in 2008. So that was around the same time that Tennessee fired Fulmer and started the nosedive with the series of coaches which contributed to the 15 straight loses. Only two games during those 15 years were close, a 12-10 loss in 2009 at Alabama when Kiffin was the coach and a 19-14 loss in 2015 at Alabama when Jones was the coach.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Also if you look at the series, you can tell when either school was in the "search for a coach" period verses when both had coaches that were on par with each other. The streaks represent that.
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I think you hit the hammer on the nail. Tennessee really hasn't had an ELITE coach outside of Neyland. Alabama has at least two: Saban and Bryant. If we claim Fulmer is one for us (I don't think he is, he got lucky in 1998 but he was pretty much owned by Spurrier) than you have to claim Gene Stallings for Alabama who won one in 1992.

Tennessee seems incapable of landing an elite level coach that can regularly compete for titles. I am not sure why. Perhaps Heupel can be that coach but there are some major reservations building around him, notably his poor road performance.
 
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volbound1700 said:
LSU won a title in 2019. Clemson won their conference last year, something Tennessee is INCAPABLE of Doing. You have to be in your late 30s to even see the last time Tennessee won a title.

Kids can watch Clemson under Dabo or LSU with Joe Burrow being dominant.
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Clemson indeed won the ACC last year which is a significantly easier conference to win. They then went and got blasted by an overrated Texas team in the playoff. The year before that they went 8-4. They are not going to win their conference this year and are unranked and discussing firing their coach. LSU hasn’t won anything since they fired Eddie O and hired the prick from Notre Dame. And they will probably fire him soon and try again.
 
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You're right in that it's not been a competitive rivalry in the last 15-20 years and has been very one sided. I will give credit to Huepel that hes went 2-2 so far against them and has made it interesting again. The last few coaches before him couldn't even manage to make it interesting. It was an automatic win for Saban..

As frustrating as this game was, at least it doesn't feel like an automatic loss anymore.
 
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Tennessee has played Kentucky 120 times - this year will be 121.
Tennessee has played Vandy 118 times - this year will be 119.

After that the number of games falls quickly:

- Mississippi 66 games
- Georgia 55 games
- Auburn and Florida, 54 games, though we will add number 55 this year with Florida.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think you hit the hammer on the nail. Tennessee really hasn't had an ELITE coach outside of Neyland. Alabama has at least two: Saban and Bryant. If we claim Fulmer is one for us (I don't think he is, he got lucky in 1998 but he was pretty much owned by Spurrier) than you have to claim Gene Stallings for Alabama who won one in 1992.

Tennessee seems incapable of landing an elite level coach that can regularly compete for titles. I am not sure why. Perhaps Heupel can be that coach but there are some major reservations building around him, notably his poor road performance.
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It is true that Fulmer benefited from one of Bama's 'coach search' periods. And that carried forward until just before Saban was hired. There was a streak from 1982 - 1985 when Majors was coach. That streak started when Majors beat the Bear in his last game at Neyland. Doug Dickey had some success against Bear Bryant - he was 3-2-1.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think you hit the hammer on the nail. Tennessee really hasn't had an ELITE coach outside of Neyland. Alabama has at least two: Saban and Bryant. If we claim Fulmer is one for us (I don't think he is, he got lucky in 1998 but he was pretty much owned by Spurrier) than you have to claim Gene Stallings for Alabama who won one in 1992.

Tennessee seems incapable of landing an elite level coach that can regularly compete for titles. I am not sure why. Perhaps Heupel can be that coach but there are some major reservations building around him, notably his poor road performance.
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Fulmer had nearly a 75% winning percentage that included the decline he had. Not sure what the **** you are going on and on about.
 
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