Why Is Florida A Must Win For Butch?

[AZVOLSFAN]

I thought so too but then I saw how terrible Arky, Mizzou, USCJr are so far...they could get it figured out but right now we would be favored in all those games..add in UK, Vandy, and North Texas..and that is 8 wins before a bowl game

IDK if I'd count Mizzou as a win. They looked terrible last year too, lost to Indiana. However, they managed to beat us. And while I feel more confident about the Arkansas game, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a very close game.

 

[Gatorbait22]

Same thing that happened to Muschamp.....

Idaho cancelled
Alabama destroyed UF
LSU by 3
Destroyed by Mizzou only allowing 130 yards of offense -- lost by 4 million points
sc by 3
Criminoles by 5

The idaho game gets played and UF wins 2 of the 3 games they lost by 5 points or less and all of a sudden its a great season...Muschump is still coaching at UF and preaching smoke up everyones arse....

I think fans are tired of smoke and want to see some fire on the field ...

Butch says the right stuff... just like Muschamp.

Can he produce and close games he "should" win??? that will be the judge on the field.
He cant use lack of talent as an excuse anymore -- can only use lack of coaching in my opinion..

Should be a good game

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

So, we suck because we want TN to win?

:lolabove:

I have no desire to coach TN, but I call it like a see it. Me, and MANY MANY more see Butch under performing on gameday.

Because you know how to run an SEC storied program better than the one actually doing it... right?

 

[lilesrt]

I'm optimistic about the future too. And i think a lot of the vitriol spewed around here is unfounded. But as a fan base, i feel the simple reasons are...

1. The streak
2. The way we lost last year.
3. And how we lost to Oklahoma the exact same way.

The problem is.. The future is never now. Pretty sure we've been discussing "the future" for years now.

 

[MedicT]

So, we suck because we want TN to win?

:lolabove:

I have no desire to coach TN, but I call it like a see it. Me, and MANY MANY more see Butch under performing on gameday.

That is probably far more indicative of your lack of observational skills than it is of Coach Jones. j/k

 

[Wylo]

I've seen so many posts with the line "Butch better win in Gainesville!"

and I ask why? Florida still has more depth and talent than us(its close) and we are playing on the road in a very loud stadium. I just hope we compete and fight for 4 quarters win or lose I think we have a good coach and a team that is a year away from competing for an SEC championship.

Because he makes millions to do more than beat Vandy, Kentucky, and USCe.

That's why.

 

[volsportsfan]

It's not a must win as far as coach Jones career here at UT goes. Even with a loss, because of an offense that can't execute the passing game ( this will be the reason make no mistake about it ), He still will have time to right the ship ( and get the passing game fixed ). CBJ's must win scenario may come next year, but it isn't this year unless we completely fall apart and only beat BG, WCAR, and N.TEX. I could see the Vandy game being a must win scenario if that were to happen. God help us if we lose to Vandy lol.

 

[MT LeConte]

I don't agree that Florida has more talent than us. More depth, yes.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I've seen so many posts with the line "Butch better win in Gainesville!"

and I ask why? Florida still has more depth and talent than us(its close) and we are playing on the road in a very loud stadium. I just hope we compete and fight for 4 quarters win or lose I think we have a good coach and a team that is a year away from competing for an SEC championship.

Where's this depth for UF? They have the 3rd lowest percentage of returning lettermen in FBS.

You know, the same stats we touted last year.

 

[volgrad500]

It's not like anyone is saying "he must win or we should fire him". Most are saying he needs to win because so far his biggest successes have come from selling the potential of a bright future-and the longer you go without winning a meaningful game, the harder that sell job becomes. Recruits start to wonder, fans start to grumble, players start to question. That's particularly true in the SEC. Even more so at a program like ours.

Surely those saying "wait until the end of next season" don't mean they won't form any opinion until then, right? It's way too early to make a decision about Butch, but we are at lest to the point where there is enough data being collected to start understanding who Butch is and how he coaches.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Before this season started, I staunchly disagreed that UF was a must win game. I have changed my mind. Its an absolutely must win game. Why? Because if Butch wants to move forward as our coach, he has to show he can win big games. This is a HUGE game now that we lost a pathetic game to OU. Had we won that game convincingly like we should have, then this game wouldnt be quite as important. Also, Butch has to show his coaching abilities can be successful against the big boys in the SEC.

 

[BoostN]

Because you know how to run an SEC storied program better than the one actually doing it... right?

I'm not getting into I can do this better than you argument.

I'm hoping Butch get's the W in Florida Saturday and reassures us all he's the man for the job.

Right now, with the execption of recruiting and his public relations skills, I'm not sure you can give me a stat how he IS the man for the job.

:thumbsup:

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Look guys, here's the way I see it. We can win this game, we could also lose this game. I'm not going there because I've chosen to support team 119 and trust coach Jones. I say we win, but the way I see it, we will be next year what ole miss was last year. We are a couple of years behind them, but we are headed there. I've never seen with my own eyes a coach bring a program like Tennessee up so fast before. I'm in my mid 40's for reference. We have a very good thing going. All we have to do is give it a chance. You can support for one more year. Think about everything good that will be on the table next year..think of the possibilities ... now think what that looks like if you run the best thing to happen to us in decades out of town because you were too impatient to let a good thing happen.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It's not a must win as far as coach Jones career here at UT goes. Even with a loss, because of an offense that can't execute the passing game ( this will be the reason make no mistake about it ), He still will have time to right the ship ( and get the passing game fixed ). CBJ's must win scenario may come next year, but it isn't this year unless we completely fall apart and only beat BG, WCAR, and N.TEX. I could see the Vandy game being a must win scenario if that were to happen. God help us if we lose to Vandy lol.

If we lose to either UK, SC or Vandy, then his career here should be over.

 

[gibby615]

Well if history proves itself, coaches have to win against rival schools.in butches situation he needs to start winning against Florida and or Alabama on normal basis. If you can't do that unfortunately the university will find someone else who can. Actually the alabama game is more of a must win! Majors and Fulmer both lost there jobs over not winning against Alabama.

 

[BeecherVol]

Because we should have beaten them in each of the last two years. Because the fans are starved for a win we can point to and say Butch is the guy. He's an outstandng recruiter and face of the program, but he will ultimately be judged on winning.

Exactly. UF will be very winnable 3 years straight. Its not gonna get any easier to beat them going forward.

 

[dbowen]

I've seen so many posts with the line "Butch better win in Gainesville!"

and I ask why? Florida still has more depth and talent than us(its close) and we are playing on the road in a very loud stadium. I just hope we compete and fight for 4 quarters win or lose I think we have a good coach and a team that is a year away from competing for an SEC championship.

Because it is what we do here. Draw artificial lines in the sand and amp up the pressure the staff and team already feel. Fulmer beat Bama, but he got dorked up when He played Steve. Urban created the same dorked up vibe. It is time to put that behind us. The guard is about to change in the east.

 

[volgrad500]

If we lose to either UK, SC or Vandy, then his career here should be over.

Haha I think it should be written into every Vol coach's contract that if you lose to Vandy, your contract is voided! You aren't fired, the contract and the coach just disappear overnight.

 

[Volstate]

Because we get slogans, coach speak, excuses, and no big wins.

It's time for some quality wins.

It's time for Butch to prove he's a SEC Coach. He's a great recruiter and PR image for TN, but he needs to prove he can get some wins. Vandy, SCjr, and Kentucky doesn't count.

That is a great post which I completely agree with. And i will add that I'm pretty disappointed by what Butch had to say in his press conference saying this was just another game....because it's not. Let's see how Volnation reacts if he loses this one. Year 3 coach...I love ya...but you better damn win. It's time.

 

[hungrydaddy]

It's not a must win in anyone's eye that matter. I highly doubt that Hart or anyone inside the program sees this as a make or break year for this staff. He is still in the rebuilding stage (2 years is not a rebuild despite a few exceptions everyone wants to bring up) and they aren't going to hurt the program by firing him.

The only people who think its a must win and this is a must win season are the insanely impatient people on sites like this who think that 2 good recruiting classes after at least 3 busts somehow means we should win the SEC. Even most of the media agreed coming in to this year that while improved they thought UT would probably still be a year away, but because of high school highlight tapes and practice tales we decided that was too long.

So rather than support the staff we have decide to promote the destruction of the program again by firing the coach if he doesn't win out this year.

I don't think this staff is perfect, i don't think any staff is, I think they are building something that will last at UT and I am excited. But lately its just embarrassing to read what has been posted by armchair qb's and couch potato coaches lately who seem to know better than actual coaches who get paid to work 70+ hours a week focusing on preparing and leading a team to victory.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

It's a must-win for Florida.

 

[BoostN]

It's not a must win in anyone's eye that matter. I highly doubt that Hart or anyone inside the program sees this as a make or break year for this staff. He is still in the rebuilding stage (2 years is not a rebuild despite a few exceptions everyone wants to bring up) and they aren't going to hurt the program by firing him.

The only people who think its a must win and this is a must win season are the insanely impatient people on sites like this who think that 2 good recruiting classes after at least 3 busts somehow means we should win the SEC. Even most of the media agreed coming in to this year that while improved they thought UT would probably still be a year away, but because of high school highlight tapes and practice tales we decided that was too long.

So rather than support the staff we have decide to promote the destruction of the program again by firing the coach if he doesn't win out this year.

I don't think this staff is perfect, i don't think any staff is, I think they are building something that will last at UT and I am excited. But lately its just embarrassing to read what has been posted by armchair qb's and couch potato coaches lately who seem to know better than actual coaches who get paid to work 70+ hours a week focusing on preparing and leading a team to victory.

Who said win the SEC? Again, give us some NOTABLE WINS!

I'm not calling for Butch's head if he does not win Saturday, but I'm not sure how he can show progress to recruits and VolNation with a loss at FL this year.

 

[Volstate]

It's not a must win in anyone's eye that matter. I highly doubt that Hart or anyone inside the program sees this as a make or break year for this staff. He is still in the rebuilding stage (2 years is not a rebuild despite a few exceptions everyone wants to bring up) and they aren't going to hurt the program by firing him.

The only people who think its a must win and this is a must win season are the insanely impatient people on sites like this who think that 2 good recruiting classes after at least 3 busts somehow means we should win the SEC. Even most of the media agreed coming in to this year that while improved they thought UT would probably still be a year away, but because of high school highlight tapes and practice tales we decided that was too long.

So rather than support the staff we have decide to promote the destruction of the program again by firing the coach if he doesn't win out this year.

I don't think this staff is perfect, i don't think any staff is, I think they are building something that will last at UT and I am excited. But lately its just embarrassing to read what has been posted by armchair qb's and couch potato coaches lately who seem to know better than actual coaches who get paid to work 70+ hours a week focusing on preparing and leading a team to victory.

He loses to Florida...I agree he will not lose his job...but he will lose a lot of Volnation...and u lose them...the rest of your year and into year 4 makes things a lot tougher.

 

[jenkins76]

I've seen so many posts with the line "Butch better win in Gainesville!"

and I ask why? Florida still has more depth and talent than us(its close) and we are playing on the road in a very loud stadium. I just hope we compete and fight for 4 quarters win or lose I think we have a good coach and a team that is a year away from competing for an SEC championship.

They are awful and have been awful for some time. People worry about the streak. The streak got started because Urban Meyer was one of the best coaches in football and we were in a downhill slide. It continued because we hired Dooley and because Butch coached two very, very bad games against them. It should not continue one year further. They are awful and have a new coach. If Butch can't beat Florida this year there is zero reason to think he ever could.

 

[UTK]

I've seen so many posts with the line "Butch better win in Gainesville!"

and I ask why? Florida still has more depth and talent than us(its close) and we are playing on the road in a very loud stadium. I just hope we compete and fight for 4 quarters win or lose I think we have a good coach and a team that is a year away from competing for an SEC championship.

Florida does not have more talent than us. To think so its beyond crazy.