Why is enforcing the law wrong in the USA?

[lawgator1]

I was talking with a friend earlier and we were discussing enforcing the law. That conversation led us to immigration laws and it got me thinking about the current situation in America. And it also leads me to wonder, why is it so taboo and wrong to enforce the laws that already exist? Just like immigration laws. We have immigration laws in this country and if you are a person in this country illegally, why is it wrong that you be deported? If it is wrong, why? So are we a nation of laws?

What I like most about this thread is that it doesn't oversimplify a really complicated situation by phrasing the issue in ridiculously misleading terms.

 

[FLVOL69]

Nothing is wrong with enforcing laws. Selective enforcement, targeting only certain groups is wrong. Treat everyone the same.

Sorry bruh, profiling works and it doesn't make someone a racist either. Flame on

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why is it not OK should be the question, IMO. Just because there is a law doesn't mean we have to enforce it, so....



As a matter of principle, this goes against values America was founded upon. These principles are so foundational that they are etched into the Statue of Liberty.

As a matter of morality, how can anybody deny someone else a shot at the American dream?

As a matter of practicality, we need their labor. There is more benefit than cost to having them.



No. I will always be for border security. However, as long as we are so stingy about immigration, I cannot support the full enforcement of our laws. If we can make a real, attainable pathway to legal residency here in the US, then I will fully support deportation of cheaters. Right now the choice for so many is come here illegally or don't come at all. How can we turn them away? They are fighting harder to achieve the American dream than most Americans. This is supposed to be a meritocracy. That's why we've been such badasses throughout our history. This generation is soft.

I think this generation is soft because they are allowing so many illegals into this country, giving them IDs, allowing them free healthcare and even student loans and grants. Why should it be totally ok for an illegal immigrant family to come to this country, receive free housing, food and other government benefits when there are struggling American citizens who cannot get these things?

Also, why should illegal immigrants get the chance for the American dream when many Americans dont have the chance? Why not put the American citizen first for a change?

 

[Dr H Lecter]

I was a little surprised that the Demos chose to demonize Trump rather than agree that deportation was the highest under the Obama administration than any other president and would continue. The more than 2 million deported under Obama was more than any president. The border strengthening is the issue. I guess the thoughts of saying deportation is good and necessary was just too much to come out of their mouth.

 

[FLVOL69]

I was a little surprised that the Demos chose to demonize Trump rather than agree that deportation was the highest under the Obama administration than any other president and would continue. The more than 2 million deported under Obama was more than any president. The border strengthening is the issue. I guess the thoughts of saying deportation is good and necessary was just too much to come out of their mouth.

Those figures are skewed just like the UE numbers. Fuzzy methodology

 

[Dr H Lecter]

I never believed snopes either. A lot do.

 

[NEO]

It's wrong because we fall under an English law style system which is a Western based system. Western systems are Anglo-Saxon systems. Apparently the only people capable of following White Anglo Saxon English style law are White people. It is unfair to expect POC to be held to such rigorous standards. It is quite similiar to how different racial and ethnic groups need to have different education standards..

Please tell me I read this wrong?

I read this as whites are law abiding citizens but poc aren't nor can poc be held to white learning standards.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I never believed snopes either. A lot do.

People like to quote snopes like they are some kind of authority that should be believed without question. Snopes is a complete joke.

 

[joevol33]

Which illegals are targeted more than other illegals?

Bump? Nobody has answered.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Let's say 100 sharks invade your local lake. 87% of those sharks are whale sharks. 13% are great whites. Which ones should the authorities concentrate on? The ones that ultra violent super predators of the deep? Or the non aggressive filter feeder shark which poses no real threat?

So you're comparing most of humanity to sharks...

 

[Orangedogsrule]

We have unjust laws. We should only enforce the just ones. This is part of checks and balances. States have long nullified bad federal laws. Juries can nullify bad laws by voting not guilty, even if the person is guilty of violating the letter of the law. Cops do it all the time, like when they let someone off for speeding. The President can just decide at any time he doesn't want to execute on a law.

All of these non-enforcement controls are in place for a reason...there are a lot of ****ty laws.

Go find a place without laws you don't like.

Please

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Why is it not OK should be the question, IMO. Just because there is a law doesn't mean we have to enforce it, so....



As a matter of principle, this goes against values America was founded upon. These principles are so foundational that they are etched into the Statue of Liberty.

As a matter of morality, how can anybody deny someone else a shot at the American dream?

As a matter of practicality, we need their labor. There is more benefit than cost to having them.



No. I will always be for border security. However, as long as we are so stingy about immigration, I cannot support the full enforcement of our laws. If we can make a real, attainable pathway to legal residency here in the US, then I will fully support deportation of cheaters. Right now the choice for so many is come here illegally or don't come at all. How can we turn them away? They are fighting harder to achieve the American dream than most Americans. This is supposed to be a meritocracy. That's why we've been such badasses throughout our history. This generation is soft.

Some alien thing crawled up inside you and took over your brain. Go get a chest xray.

 

[lawgator1]

I never believed snopes either. A lot do.

You got an example of them being wrong ?

 

[AM64]

I was a little surprised that the Demos chose to demonize Trump rather than agree that deportation was the highest under the Obama administration than any other president and would continue. The more than 2 million deported under Obama was more than any president. The border strengthening is the issue. I guess the thoughts of saying deportation is good and necessary was just too much to come out of their mouth.

I believe the story is that under Obama, turnarounds were counted as deportations to inflate the numbers. Liars using statistics again.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think this generation is soft because they are allowing so many illegals into this country,

Every generation that faced illegal immigration failed to stop it.

allowing them free healthcare and even student loans and grants. Why should it be totally ok for an illegal immigrant family to come to this country, receive free housing, food and other government benefits when there are struggling American citizens who cannot get these things?

They shouldn't be doing this. Why should we send all illegals home because some immigrants do this?

Also, why should illegal immigrants get the chance for the American dream when many Americans dont have the chance? Why not put the American citizen first for a change?

Which Americans don't have the chance to live the American dream? Soft Americans?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Every generation that faced illegal immigration failed to stop it.

So why is Trump being blasted for wanting to stop it?


They shouldn't be doing this. Why should we send all illegals home because some immigrants do this?

Either we are a nation of laws or we arent. Why should we send illegals home? I dont know maybe because they are in this country illegally. Why is this so hard? Also, whats tye negatives to sending these illegals home?

Which Americans don't have the chance to live the American dream? Soft Americans?

Plenty of Americans dont have the chance. I know of American citizens who cannot afford health insurance. Yet illegals can get it for free. I know people who cannot get money for college, illegals can get the grants that should be available to American citizens. Illegals should not be able to get any American government assistance. Especially when there are plenty of American citizens who cannot get it.

 

[Dr H Lecter]

You got an example of them being wrong ?

See post directly below yours and compare.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Why is it not OK should be the question, IMO. Just because there is a law doesn't mean we have to enforce it, so....



As a matter of principle, this goes against values America was founded upon. These principles are so foundational that they are etched into the Statue of Liberty.

As a matter of morality, how can anybody deny someone else a shot at the American dream?

As a matter of practicality, we need their labor. There is more benefit than cost to having them.



No. I will always be for border security. However, as long as we are so stingy about immigration, I cannot support the full enforcement of our laws. If we can make a real, attainable pathway to legal residency here in the US, then I will fully support deportation of cheaters. Right now the choice for so many is come here illegally or don't come at all. How can we turn them away? They are fighting harder to achieve the American dream than most Americans. This is supposed to be a meritocracy. That's why we've been such badasses throughout our history. This generation is soft.

Yeah but that was 250+ years ago..you know..the same argument used against the second amendment..same idea, albeit with more substance, can be directed towards immigration.

 

[joevol320]

Why is it not OK should be the question, IMO. Just because there is a law doesn't mean we have to enforce it, so....



As a matter of principle, this goes against values America was founded upon. These principles are so foundational that they are etched into the Statue of Liberty.

As a matter of morality, how can anybody deny someone else a shot at the American dream?

As a matter of practicality, we need their labor. There is more benefit than cost to having them.



No. I will always be for border security. However, as long as we are so stingy about immigration, I cannot support the full enforcement of our laws. If we can make a real, attainable pathway to legal residency here in the US, then I will fully support deportation of cheaters. Right now the choice for so many is come here illegally or don't come at all. How can we turn them away? They are fighting harder to achieve the American dream than most Americans. This is supposed to be a meritocracy. That's why we've been such badasses throughout our history. This generation is soft.

they are not assimilating to be Americans. they don't learn the language, they bring 3rd world baggage to America and many do expect a large gov welfare check. why come to America if you're not going to assimilate?

you liberals think America is a large rest stop. We have millions of true American without jobs and yet you want to import millions more to come in. that's just silly. we have an immigration process in place, yet you libs want it changed so people can come in faster. the process is fine, you libs demand it be changed just to import more dem voters.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So you're comparing most of humanity to sharks...

Pick you own species of animal or variety of plant and plug it in there as long as it has a relative that is violent or dangerous.

 

[hog88]

So you're comparing most of humanity to sharks...

That's a bad comparison on his part. Most are sheep.

 

[Septic]

People like to quote snopes like they are some kind of authority that should be believed without question. Snopes is a complete joke.

Lol, why? Because your facebook memes and chain emails keep getting pooped on by fact?

I doubt you'd have the intellectual ability or honesty to concede that any source is worthy unless it feeds into your preferred narrative.

 

[k-town_king]

Pick you own species of animal or variety of plant and plug it in there as long as it has a relative that is violent or dangerous.

Your racism and ignorance is astounding. Facts don't back up anything you say. I really feel bad for you and the other 79. :ermm:

 

[Madscientistvol]

Much easier said than done. Thank goodness for nullification.

The answers to your questions have nothing to do with whether or not enforcing certain laws is "wrong", but I'll explore this tangent.

By law, yes.

By law, yes.

The question is too vague for me to give a good answer.

In absolute terms, no. Trump will violate the law numerous times. Obama did it. Bush did it. States do it. Police do it. And everybody gets away with it to some degree. Relative to most countries, yes we have rule of law.

The answer to my question does have everything to do with if enforcing laws are wrong or not.

The left decried Arizona as overstepping it's bounds when it tried to install procedures that were aimed at helping enforce federal immigration laws that the Obama administration wasn't trying to enforce.

Now the left is going to advocate and herald these sanctuary cities and campuses if they try to hinder any potential Trump administration enforcement of immigration laws.

If they were bad laws maybe the Obama administration should have used some of its politcal capital to do something about it back when they had the power to get congress to shove Obamacare down our throats.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I believe the story is that under Obama, turnarounds were counted as deportations to inflate the numbers. Liars using statistics again.

Do you have any evidence that the methodology changed under Obama?

What do we do about the families with "anchor babies?"