Why I dont like comparing 1st year/time coaches

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BeardedVol said:
Whether you like him, or think he would be successful or not is is irrelevant, but saying that Pruitt was the only person who wanted the job is flat out not true.

I guarantee Leach would have a better record than Pruitt after 14 games at UT.
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Pure speculation at this point
 
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Other_Guy said:
I keep seeing the same comparisons, which I think is ridiculous.
Saban's 1st year at Bama gets compared to every coach we bring in. You know, NC winning Saban at a recent 10 win team.
I've seen us compare Butch or Pruitt to Smart who stepped into a program that fired their coach because 10 wins werent enough.
Now I've seen comparing Pruitt to Les Miles and Mack Brown's new gigs. The reasoning you would do this is beyond me, and Im not just saying that because its a new HC vs NC winning experience.
Why in the world would I want to compare my coach's rebuilding performance to that of some team thats not even in my teams conference?
I dont care what Kansas or UNC's condition was in and what they do. I am evaluating my coach based on how I see where the program is at in the SEC and where I expect the program to be at vs their rivals at such n such timeframe.
So for those complaining because of what Miles or Brown has done in their 1st couple games or will do this year... just stop it.
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You're telling people to stop. Who made you VolNation hall monitor?
 
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BeardedVol said:
You really trying to compare the state of WSU's football program when Leach arrived, to UT's when Pruitt arrived? Lol.
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No, I’m not.

I’m simply saying the outcome would be the same. He’s had that long at WSU because the expectation is so low. If he’s not beating Florida and Bama by year 2-3 we’d run him out of town.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Ok, I’ll bite.

What’s Leach done that won’t make the fans run him out of town too in 3-5 years after he fails to win anything worth mentioning?
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Win at a 62% clip at two loser power 5 schools that are difficult to recruit to because they in the middle of nowhere. Had ten straight winning seasons at TX Tech. Can I clear anything else up for you?
 
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Dudleys87 said:
No, I’m not.

I’m simply saying the outcome would be the same. He’s had that long at WSU because the expectation is so low. If he’s not beating Florida and Bama by year 2-3 we’d run him out of town.
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So, a coach who rebuilt Texas Tech and WSU, and does so with 2/3* and walk-on talent, wouldnt be likely to find success at UT?

Now you want to define "success" as beating Florida or Bama in year two, when our current coach can't even beat Georgia State and BYU in year 2?
 
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BeardedVol said:
So, a coach who rebuilt Texas Tech and WSU, and does so with 2/3* and walk-on talent, wouldnt be likely to find success at UT?

Now you want to define "success" as beating Florida or Bama in year two, when our current coach can't even beat Georgia State and BYU in year 2?
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His actions at Tech is the reason why he’s at WSU and nobody has made him an offer since. Yet another low expectations school much like WSU. Then living in the shadow of Texas. As opposed to now living in the shadow of ATM, Texas, TCU and others. He’s made for low end schools.

I didn’t define anything. I simply said what is labeled as success at Tennessee realistic or not. Pruitt got stuck with a lot of over rated players who can’t play at this level let alone win.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
His actions at Tech is the reason why he’s at WSU and nobody has made him an offer since. Yet another low expectations school much like WSU. Then living in the shadow of Texas. As opposed to now living in the shadow of ATM, Texas, TCU and others. He’s made for low end schools.

I didn’t define anything. I simply said what is labeled as success at Tennessee realistic or not. Pruitt got stuck with a lot of over rated players who can’t play at this level let alone win.
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Keep moving those goal posts, and eventually Pruitt will "score".
 
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We used to want a Home run hire. Now we just want someone better than the one we have, and although I haven't completely written off Pruitt, many have, so what does that say?
 
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Behr said:
We used to want a Home run hire. Now we just want someone better than the one we have, and although I haven't completely written off Pruitt, many have, so what does that say?
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Completely unrealistic expectations.
No matter who we hire if they don’t beat 1 of the 3 in year two it’s fire him right now! Pay whoever whatever it takes! They could do it before now
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you are planning on holding Pruitt to the expectation of beating Alabama or Florida in year 2?
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No, I’m all for keeping Pruitt until he gets this roster turned. There’s a reason his recruits are out playing the old guys. They were recruited based on stars rather than talent. Take the lumps now and see where Tennessee is down the road. We’re never going to get any where If we keep firing and hiring
 
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Other_Guy said:
No agrument here. Im basing my evaluation of him based on that and not comparing him to Miles and Brown.
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Well, unfortunately, you are going to get those comparisons when the Pruitt fan club has their top excuse as ....”Let him get his own players first”.

We can look all around the college football landscape and see examples of coaches doing better than the previous guy, with the previous guy’s own players.

It’s an argument that has AN element of truth, but not the entire story. Good coaches can motivate anyone’s players as we can all clearly see.

In general, I agree with your original premise. Our coach is stinking up the joint, regardless of what anyone else is doing.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Completely unrealistic expectations.
No matter who we hire if they don’t beat 1 of the 3 in year two it’s fire him right now! Pay whoever whatever it takes! They could do it before now
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I don't believe this to be 100% accurate.
 
#48
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jwilliams said:
I really like Mike Leach.

However, we don't actually know if he would have taken the job. Secondly, Leach's primary reason for wanting a job like TN HC is to find out if his system would work in the SEC. I'd love to see it, but I'm not sure that's the kind of proven track record that many think we would get with Leach.

Also, keep in mind it has taken Leach several years (like 4 or 5) to turn his programs around. Not sure he'd get that kind of time at TN.
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So we don’t know if he would actually take the job, but you know his motivation for doing so, if he were to do so?

Did I read that right?
 
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Dudleys87 said:
No, I’m not.

I’m simply saying the outcome would be the same. He’s had that long at WSU because the expectation is so low. If he’s not beating Florida and Bama by year 2-3 we’d run him out of town.
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Pure speculation.

See how that works.
 
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