Why Hold Butch To A Higher Standard?

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Volsick said:
Ask Michigan is mediocrity is okay? Ask ol Jim if he has enough bricks yet. He has 2 recruiting classes and is already in control of the conference. Get serious.
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Michigan is a farce. 2-6 Mich St ran for over 200 yds vs them yesterday. Their schedule is a joke. Wisconsin and a bunch of bums thus far. But Harbaugh wouldn't put up with the lazy efforts Team 120 has shown every week thus far. I will grant you that.
 
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Volsick said:
Ask Michigan is mediocrity is okay? Ask ol Jim if he has enough bricks yet. He has 2 recruiting classes and is already in control of the conference. Get serious.
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Perfect example of what happens when you hire an elite coach
 
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BSAvol said:
We may as well have Fulmer as our head coach if we are willing to accept mediocrity today.

VFL Fulmer was totally complacent and irrelevant (without Cutcliffe) as a head coach in his last 6 or 7 years. If that level of performance is acceptable; why would we ever let him go?

I honestly believe Fulmer is a VFL. He was not going to bring UT more than mediocrity, without CDC. We don't let him go unless we expect more. CBJ is not delivering.

UT fired a VFL. We have seen 3 head coaches hired since then. That is why we hold CBJ to a higher standard. Beat Texas A&M and the Gamecocks and we are not having this conversation. Injuries or not, CBJ is not getting the job done. He is paid too much to fail.
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Not even that.... Produce a DEVELOPED 4 year starter this year and we aren't having this conversation.
 
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Guys settle down. We missed the bus. It's downhill from here . With a winning coach we would be 7-1 easily. The switch should have been made last year. It wasn't. Butchs decisions and cliches have been laughed at since he got here by national media. They know what apparently our fans don't. We accepted we were getting better on record alone. That record is a result of a super weak back of schedule. Now butch has 10 million buyout so he is here to stay. All I can say is enjoy the ride
 
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92nd in total offense, 69th in total defense! And here is the big one 108th in turnover margin. What standard are we exactly holding Butch to again?
 
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wmcovol said:
Michigan is a farce. 2-6 Mich St ran for over 200 yds vs them yesterday. Their schedule is a joke. Wisconsin and a bunch of bums thus far. But Harbaugh wouldn't put up with the lazy efforts Team 120 has shown every week thus far. I will grant you that.
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Well Michigan beat that 2-6 Michigan state team and we lost to a 3-4 South Carolina team
 
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99gator said:
These things don't happen in a vacuum.

It's an SEC East that is so bad that words can't describe. There are 3 new head coaches in the division. There are 4 or 5 new starting QB's. in a division where no one was any good to begin with, everyone is trying to rebuild their program.....except Tennessee.

Year 4. Juniors and seniors everywhere. 3 year starters at a bunch of spots.

It doesn't get to line up any easier than this. And with all of that, they have gone out and been in double digit deficits to almost every team on the schedule. It just finally caught up with them against an inferior opponent.

I thought, as many here probably did, that after going through the gauntlet and having a bye week, it would be different. They would refocus and establish a higher level of play going into the stretch run that featured a slew of mediocre opponents. Didnt happen.

So, the obvious concern isn't this season in and of itself. It's the rationale that if you can win this division this season under these circumstances....and having beaten Florida and Georgia.....is this staff really the answer.

And that's a hard rationale to argue with
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It seems unfathomable that you can beat UF & UGA and still not win the East. UT managed that feat in '92 as well.

All you need to watch to know about last night's preparation, focus, & effort is to watch UT's 4th down "episode" just before the half. Simply pathetic.
 
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AstonRoyal said:
It's this kind of mentality that will make us mediocre. You should never be allowed to post this poison on this board ever again. Mediocrity will never be accepted at Tennessee.
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That foul smell you are experiencing is because of your cephalorectal position.
 
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BigOrange04 said:
92nd in total offense, 69th in total defense! And here is the big one 108th in turnover margin. What standard are we exactly holding Butch to again?
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We hired him from Cincinnati, the powers that be have no standards.. Hire under the radar guys that you hope pan out, sell false hope to a gullible fanbase and hope he works out. An if not , so what, people still fill the seats anyway. This their mentality. Want first class ,while being as cheap as possible..
 
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Cartervol said:
We hired him from Cincinnati, the powers that be have no standards.. Hire under the radar guys that you hope pan out, sell false hope to a gullible fanbase and hope he works out. An if not , so what, people still fill the seats anyway. This their mentality. Want first class ,while being as cheap as possible..
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They tried to hire other higher profile coaches but they turned us down...they went hard after Gruden and Strong but the program was down and they didn't want the difficult job of rebuilding the roster.
 
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VolnJC said:
Today was a bad loss...we got beat by a team worse than us...even with the injuries, we should have won. Saying that though, when Butch took over, he didn't have a SEC roster and now we have one. People want to get back to winning championships, but they are stuck in the 90s..truth is we are a 9-3 or 8-4 program, who is tied for 5th in SEC titles...we need to make changes, we don't need a new head coach next year.

The sad truth is since the General retired, we are a middle of the road SEC team that jumps up every few years and has a great year.

60s total record 67-32 or average of 7 and 3
70s total record 75-39 or average of 8 and 4
80s total record 76-37 or average of 8 and 4
90s total record 98-22 or average of 10 and 2
00s total record 83-44 or average of 8 and 4
10s total record 37-38 or average of 6 and 6

Since 1960 SEC Championships
Alabama 22
Florida 9
LSU 8
Georgia 8
Auburn 6
Tennessee 6
Ole Miss 3
Kentucky 1

from another poster's research

The college Football data warehouse is a good site for looking at historical data...they have info on all teams and also calculate the best 5 year, 10 year and 25 year runs by each school...it's a weighted calculation based on winning percentage, schedule strength, national championships and major bowls...all the results are put into a single table and top 250 "Best 10 Years" listed. No surprise that Bama has 27 different ten year runs in the top 250...it is kind of surprising that we don't have a single team to make the cut...it was a bit shocking to my orange tinted reality...

Alabama 27
Notre Dame (IN) 26
Southern California 26
Oklahoma 22
Nebraska 20
Ohio St. 17
Texas 16
Florida St. 12
Michigan 12
Florida 11
Miami (FL) 11
Louisiana St. 8
Penn St. 6
Minnesota 5
Mississippi 3
Michigan St. 2
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Because we fired a HOF coach who bled more for this university and team than anyone on this board because of the same stuff we're doing now. The question should be, why are you willing to accept this from Jones, but are ok with firing the guy who actually won something here?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Because we fired a HOF coach who bled more for this university and team than anyone on this board because of the same stuff we're doing now. The question should be, why are you willing to accept this from Jones, but are ok with firing the guy who actually won something here?
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Same people wanting Butch fired probably wanted Fulmer fired too...they view Tennessee foot ball thru paradigms and prizms...they see those years in the 90s as reality but compared to the other decades in the last 45 years the 90s are an outlier...so people are pissed at Butch because they can't relive something that was never really there. We are an 8-4 9-3 football program that has to go out of state to find a SEC roster
 
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Mediocre doesn't explain this loss. TAM, Bama, yes. this one, no.
 
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VolnJC said:
Same people wanting Butch fired probably wanted Fulmer fired too...they view Tennessee foot ball thru paradigms and prizms...they see those years in the 90s as reality but compared to the other decades in the last 45 years the 90s are an outlier...so people are pissed at Butch because they can't relive something that was never really there. We are an 8-4 9-3 football program that has to go out of state to find a SEC roster
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Ya know, I remember another program that did the same thing we did. They got rid of a hall of fame championship winning coach.

Went out and hired what they thought was the guy and he had some decent years, nothing bad but they got rid of him too. So then they hired an up and coming coach and after a few years of mediocre play they fired him as well and said screw it and offered pretty much the state to their next coach.

Now they're in the top 5 and in control if their division, so I'm guessing Michigan was dumb to go out and hire the top guy.

You can't sit and tell me that they were in as good a shape as we're in now and that their fans aren't as extreme as people claim we are.

Fact is the Michigan AD had the marbles to do what was necessary to make his program a winner again, so tell me exactly why we can't do the same.
 
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zydane47 said:
Ya know, I remember another program that did the same thing we did. They got rid of a hall of fame championship winning coach.

Went out and hired what they thought was the guy and he had some decent years, nothing bad but they got rid of him too. So then they hired an up and coming coach and after a few years of mediocre play they fired him as well and said screw it and offered pretty much the state to their next coach.

Now they're in the top 5 and in control if their division, so I'm guessing Michigan was dumb to go out and hire the top guy.

You can't sit and tell me that they were in as good a shape as we're in now and that their fans aren't as extreme as people claim we are.

Fact is the Michigan AD had the marbles to do what was necessary to make his program a winner again, so tell me exactly why we can't do the same.
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They are sitting in the top 5 because they play in the Big10..not saying Harbaugh isn't a great coach but who has he beaten?
 
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VolnJC said:
They are sitting in the top 5 because they play in the Big10..not saying Harbaugh isn't a great coach but who has he beaten?
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Come on man don't play that card, the east is in worse shape than what ever division michigan is in and yet here we are on the outside looking in again.
 
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