Why Hart Won't Fire Dooley

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Many people here have been calling for it. I’m not trying to debate whether you’re right or wrong. I’m not a “sunshine pumper”, and I’m not a “ledge jumper”. I’m just trying to remain objective and giving you reasons why I don’t think it will happen. Long post forthcoming.

Finances. Tennessee athletics posted a five-million-dollar loss last year. If you fire Dooley, you’re on the hook for his buyout. Not only that, you’re also paying for his replacement. And if we go after a big-ticket hire like many of you want, then this cost is going to be significant. Also consider the cost of replacing any of the assistant coaches if our big fish wants to bring in some of his own people. This isn’t cheap, and it’s not the way to turn a profit. The way to turn this around is to win, and in the short-term (this year and the next) Dooley still gives us a better likelihood of being relevant than another new coach with a depleted roster and a new system.

The successor. We’ve heard it ad nauseam, but here it is again. We booted Fulmer a year after he played in the SEC Championship game. After Kiffin’s affair left the roster gutted, we brought in Dooley to right the ship and restock the cupboard. Even now, very few of our contributing players are seniors. In the SEC more than anywhere else, having an entire roster stocked with quality, rotation-caliber depth is crucial if we want to win big games. Also consider that we brought in nearly an entirely new coaching staff and are integrating a new scheme on the defensive side of the ball. This requires an adjustment period, and we’re nowhere near the end of that period yet. Firing Dooley also means that we likely face another period of thin depth and new schemes. If Hart doesn’t display the patience to allow a new coach to fully integrate his system and recruit his own players, then we’d never interest a great candidate for the position anyway. This isn’t even mentioning the fallout from denying the rest of the staff a legitimate chance (assuming that they’re fired as well). Many assistant coaches are young guys looking to move up, and no ambitious young coach would come here if he thinks we’d drop him before he even fully installed his system.

Recruiting. I’ve mentioned it already, but it deserves its own paragraph. Firing a coach damages a recruiting class. Firing an entire staff destroys it. In a perfect world, we’d have a pile of elite players dying to play in Neyland from the moment they touch a football for the first time. A few schools have that luxury, but we aren’t one of them. We attract recruits by building relationships between them and the coaches, and this is a process that takes multiple years in many cases. Losing all of those relationships would devastate our class, because the new staff would have to establish relationships from the beginning while our competition has been working them for months or years. That’s a huge hurdle. I feel that some who want Dooley fired expect it to be an instant-win button, and if we press it then we’ll be right back to national relevance. In all likelihood, it would just set the clock back another few years – we’d be dealing with major roster attrition and damage-control recruiting classes all over again.


All of this said, I do think there are circumstances in which Dooley could lose his job regardless. If we go through the next four games by suffering four blowout losses, then Hart would likely start making phone calls. But barring that kind of catastrophe, I think Dooley will get another chance next year, with fully-installed schemes and four full recruiting classes.
 
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Nonsense. If there is a sense things are going in the right direction, donations and attendance will go up. The only way that happens is with a new regime.

But if Dooley remains and the season continues to deteriorate, the empty seats and decline in donations will cost way more than buying Dooley out and hiring a successor.
 
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Nonsense. If there is a sense things are going in the right direction, donations and attendance will go up. The only way that happens is with a new regime.

But if Dooley remains and the season continues to deteriorate, the empty seats and decline in donations will cost way more than buying Dooley out and hiring a successor.

Exactly. Thank you.
 
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I want him fired to start the rebuilding process which I think we are pushing further down the road every season that passes. Thats my point, you can talk about fans, message boards, and everything else but the ONE thing that a program cannot overcome when it comes to recruiting 5 star athletes is having a defeatist loser mentality and that is all I have seen from Dooley. He is well versed in coachspeak, and if the bar we set for success is "Speaking eloquently about our dismal failures" then we have our guy. If we want to win championships we do not have our guy. Thats what it comes down to for me.

Personally I do not think he sees another season, and until into this season I would have agreed with you. The defense is about to have a run where they are going to get shelled. This is one of the slower secondaries we have had in a long time. Tyler and the Offenses attitudes are down and there seems to be no coach able to get them back up.

If they win a big game then they will know what it feels like, but I do not see it happening this year.

In other words, I hope your last sentence is wrong.
 
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Texas anyone??? They turned their program around by getting rid of whats eating garret gilbert and getting rid of OC AND DC and a bunch of other losers...

And they got big names to fill their spots...

Recruiting. I’ve mentioned it already, but it deserves its own paragraph. Firing a coach damages a recruiting class. Firing an entire staff destroys it.
 
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Ok lets fire CDD bring in a new guy it takes him 3 to 4 years to win then what. Blame hart for making the wrong hire. Guys fight through the process or find a new team. Go vols
 
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Ok lets fire CDD bring in a new guy it takes him 3 to 4 years to win then what. Blame hart for making the wrong hire. Guys fight through the process or find a new team. Go vols
By that rationale, no coach would ever get fired.....complete fail of a post.
 
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If Dooley wins 8 games he still will not be competitive in the SEC. The non-conference schedule had 4 automatic wins built in and then there is UK and Vandy.
 
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Schedule is more difficult next year without play makers that will jump ship. This is Dooley's last hoorah. Time for him to circle the wagons and beat someone not named Vandy or plays in the SunBelt/MEAC. He has had enough time. NO MORE EXCUSES.
 
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IF Dooley manages 8 wins, he stays. 7 is a toss up. 6 or less and he's gone

He has his chance. I still think he has to beat someone he shouldn't. Georgia or USC to be specific. The Alabama game would be a career changer for him , but we know that's not going to happen.
 
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I know this may be a stretch but what about Butch Jones as a replacement. Seems to be doing a good job with Cincy even though we blew them out last year.
 
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Texas anyone??? They turned their program around by getting rid of whats eating garret gilbert and getting rid of OC AND DC and a bunch of other losers...

And they got big names to fill their spots...

Texas is a talent rich state. We do a lot of recruiting out of state. Big difference. BTW - I completely agree with the OP. Nice post.
 
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And here we have wasted 3 of them, 5+3 is 8. Another couple years of Dooleyball and that adds up to a decade of pain for the Big Orange!

Maybe and maybe a new coach takes 4 or 5. I was just saying that's what I thought when kiff left and it looks like I may be right.
 
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Dooley will never win anything I dont care how many years he is here period he is a Manager of a Football team thats it he was never a OC or DC. The kids dont like him say he is a recruiter we are ranked at 20 rite now behind vandy and the rest of the good sec teams. He is a nice guy that luvs his vols and would be asset on the coaching staff as assistant something to a Real Football Coach and I like the guy but enough is enough
 
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Many people here have been calling for it. I’m not trying to debate whether you’re right or wrong. I’m not a “sunshine pumper”, and I’m not a “ledge jumper”. I’m just trying to remain objective and giving you reasons why I don’t think it will happen. Long post forthcoming.

Finances. Tennessee athletics posted a five-million-dollar loss last year. If you fire Dooley, you’re on the hook for his buyout. Not only that, you’re also paying for his replacement. And if we go after a big-ticket hire like many of you want, then this cost is going to be significant. Also consider the cost of replacing any of the assistant coaches if our big fish wants to bring in some of his own people. This isn’t cheap, and it’s not the way to turn a profit. The way to turn this around is to win, and in the short-term (this year and the next) Dooley still gives us a better likelihood of being relevant than another new coach with a depleted roster and a new system.
The successor. We’ve heard it ad nauseam, but here it is again. We booted Fulmer a year after he played in the SEC Championship game. After Kiffin’s affair left the roster gutted, we brought in Dooley to right the ship and restock the cupboard. Even now, very few of our contributing players are seniors. In the SEC more than anywhere else, having an entire roster stocked with quality, rotation-caliber depth is crucial if we want to win big games. Also consider that we brought in nearly an entirely new coaching staff and are integrating a new scheme on the defensive side of the ball. This requires an adjustment period, and we’re nowhere near the end of that period yet. Firing Dooley also means that we likely face another period of thin depth and new schemes. If Hart doesn’t display the patience to allow a new coach to fully integrate his system and recruit his own players, then we’d never interest a great candidate for the position anyway. This isn’t even mentioning the fallout from denying the rest of the staff a legitimate chance (assuming that they’re fired as well). Many assistant coaches are young guys looking to move up, and no ambitious young coach would come here if he thinks we’d drop him before he even fully installed his system.

Recruiting. I’ve mentioned it already, but it deserves its own paragraph. Firing a coach damages a recruiting class. Firing an entire staff destroys it. In a perfect world, we’d have a pile of elite players dying to play in Neyland from the moment they touch a football for the first time. A few schools have that luxury, but we aren’t one of them. We attract recruits by building relationships between them and the coaches, and this is a process that takes multiple years in many cases. Losing all of those relationships would devastate our class, because the new staff would have to establish relationships from the beginning while our competition has been working them for months or years. That’s a huge hurdle. I feel that some who want Dooley fired expect it to be an instant-win button, and if we press it then we’ll be right back to national relevance. In all likelihood, it would just set the clock back another few years – we’d be dealing with major roster attrition and damage-control recruiting classes all over again.


All of this said, I do think there are circumstances in which Dooley could lose his job regardless. If we go through the next four games by suffering four blowout losses, then Hart would likely start making phone calls. But barring that kind of catastrophe, I think Dooley will get another chance next year, with fully-installed schemes and four full recruiting classes.




This is BS. If the wheels come completely off and we finish 5-7, do you really expect Dools to stay and for Hart to justify it with "we just can't afford to fire him". A $5 million buyout is chump change compared to lost revenue from empty seats and boosters refusing to support a losing coach and program.
 
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Texas anyone??? They turned their program around by getting rid of whats eating garret gilbert and getting rid of OC AND DC and a bunch of other losers...

And they got big names to fill their spots...

When was the last time Texas won the NC? and Tennessee?
 
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