Why do we need a federal education department?

[whodeycin85]

But then who will you blame for Tennessee kids still being morons after they graduate from Tennessee schools?

Same people who feel the need to expect tax payers to pay (replace) for federal grants to billion dollar charities with increase taxes??

 

[BeardedVol]

3ESS3 (both) why does a kid in Tennessee need to figure out how to reduce the impact of volcanoes and earthquakes (outs barely take pictures off the wall)



4.ESS3 (both) this about human affect their environment and I'd bet good money the TCAP test questions will be about negative human impact and no positive human impact



6LS4.2

6ESS2.2,4,5

6ESS3.1,3

That's just elementary I don't have time to go through middle and high school

The Tennessee board of education determines academic standards, not the DoE .

Here's the science standard, set by Tennessee lawmakers and educators:

Tennessee Academic Standards for Science

You even went out of your way to mischaracterize the first standard that you complained about while still failing to show that the DoE is responsible for the standard; bravo sir, bravo.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The federal department of education does not set education standards, nor does it decide curriculum in the state of Tennessee.

So tell me, which "big government" DoE policy is stopping Tennessee schools from property educating Tennessee kids?

Be specific.

No I asked the question first. Why do you like Big Government? Is that where your paycheck comes from. We can start there to declare any biases.

I am a 1099 that pays taxes that go to the DC money cleaner and gets sent back to TN at a 30-40% reduction. I sent my kids to private school and paid taxes for other kids education.

So tell me exactly why we need to send our money to DC to educate the kids. Would it not be better spent kept at home.

 

[BeardedVol]

No I asked the question first. Why do you like Big Government? Is that where your paycheck comes from. We can start there to declare any biases.

I am a 1099 that pays taxes that go to the DC money cleaner and gets sent back to TN at a 30-40% reduction. I sent my kids to private school and paid taxes for other kids education.

So tell me exactly why we need to send our money to DC to educate the kids. Would it not be better spent kept at home.

Lol, lay off the attempt at a red herring, and just accept the fact that the Department of Education isn't the reason your kid didn't get a quality education in Tennessee schools.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Lol, lay off the attempt at a red herring, and just accept the fact that the Department of Education isn't the reason your kid didn't get a quality education in Tennessee schools.

The reason my kids didn’t get a quality education in a public TN school is because I chose to send them to a private school.

Reading comprehension is something you struggle with. I think we are seeing an example of something……

Why do you like big government?

 

[LouderVol]

I’m good with teachers making more if there is incentive and performance based metrics behind it. Too often lousy teachers make as much or more than the good teachers because of how long they’ve been at the job.

got to be careful with that. or at least change the metric used.

relying on standardized tests is a big reason why education has dropped imo. Teachers teach the test, not the actual content. kids can pass the test, but don't know anything really about the subject.

even with a proficiency based test they can still teach the test, and not actually improve their skills in whatever proficiency.

 

[LouderVol]

So DoE influence on educational standards in Tennessee are why Tennessee schools aren't properly educating Tennessee kids?

According to the state of Tennessee, they have complete control over standards, and review them on a regular basis with input from the public and educators.

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Standards Review

www.tn.gov

review and approval isn't complete control.

if they aren't creating it, there is only so much you can do in a review and approval role.

also not sure how you can say they have "complete control" when it involves public feedback, the teachers, state government (assuming beyond the TDOE).

 

[Vol since 77]

Looks at thread title

Looks at who started the thread

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Lol, that's exactly how I feel seeing the majority of the lefts posts lately. Little to no substance outside of bitching and moaning after getting skull dragged this past November. Know nothing of the op, (nor do I care) but the question asked is legit when we're all currently watching a lot of waste being exposed in other area's of the feds.

 

[hog88]

Lol, lay off the attempt at a red herring, and just accept the fact that the Department of Education isn't the reason your kid didn't get a quality education in Tennessee schools.

For someone who is defending its existence you haven’t given a single reason to keep it.

 

[volbound1700]

Department of Education was originally setup to support FAFSA (Federal Student Loan system for indigent college applicants). I am fine with that program as well as programs that support students with disabilities, etc. I think the conservative argument to totally scrap the department misses a lot of that context.

It has overgrown its reach. What people don't realize is that the Federal Funding provided to the States has strings attached. That is what is missing in the context of the explanation. If said state doesn't comply with certain Federal program, they pull funding.

I am in favor of shrinking the DOE but not scrapping it (or at the very least, move some of the value added activities to a new department).

 

[BeardedVol]

For someone who is defending its existence you haven’t given a single reason to keep it.

None of you have been able to show how the existence of the DoE is negatively impacting the state of Tennessee's ability to successfully educate children.

So from that perspective, it's moot.

 

[hog88]

None of you have been able to show how the existence of the DoE is negatively impacting the state of Tennessee's ability to successfully educate children.

So from that perspective, it's moot.

You have yet to show a positive impact so why keep it?

 

[walkenvol]

Agree. Kids should each have a voucher and the school their parents choose for them to attend should get the funds for that year. This makes competition between schools to have the best teachers and results so that demand will be high to attend each school. Free market Capitalism.

Also...teachers should be paid twice what they actually make so that more of the best and brightest will want to teach. What does it say about society that we value so little the people who are tasked with educating our children to prepare them for life? Nearly every profession makes more money than school teachers. That seems insane to me.

It’s helpful to brainstorm ways to improve our schools, but until there is a fundamental change to view education as a privilege instead of a right then the struggles will continue IMO. The biggest advantage private schools have over public schools is their ability to set a minimum standard of behavior and academic effort. Failure to adhere to these standards leads to dismissal. Less troublesome students leads to an overall higher standard of conduct and achievement. Public schools have to take and with few exceptions keep all students (especially those labeled special Ed”.

 

[BeardedVol]

You have yet to show a positive impact so why keep it?

Well at the moment it's paying 1/5 of Tennessee's education budget, and providing the money used to educate special needs children and feed poor children, with fairly minimal strings attached to the funds.



It's worth noting that Tennessee is under no obligation to accept the funding, and the state government could decline it if they chose to do so.

 

[hog88]

Well at the moment it's paying 1/5 of Tennessee's education budget, and providing the money used to educate special needs children and feed poor children, with fairly minimal strings attached to the funds.

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It's worth noting that Tennessee is under no obligation to accept the funding, and the state government could decline it if they chose to do so.

Again with the funding argument. How much money do Tennesseean's send to DC every year? We shouldn’t be sending our money to Washington only to have to beg for and agree to its terms to get it back.

Why continue to fund a government agency that returns no benefit? Keep the money in state.

 

[Jxn Vol]

None of you have been able to show how the existence of the DoE is negatively impacting the state of Tennessee's ability to successfully educate children.

So from that perspective, it's moot.

My god what department do you work for?

You are literally for sending $100 up to DC and getting $70 back.

I tell you what I know of an investment opportunity I can cut you in on. Looking for investors.

Why do you love big government??

 

[hog88]

My god what department do you work for?

You are literally for sending $100 up to DC and getting $70 back.

I tell you what I know of an investment opportunity I can cut you in on. Looking for investors.

Why do you love big government??

Dude is a troll, there is no agency or spending he doesn’t support, have you seen his posts in the Ukraine thread.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Dude is a troll, there is no agency or spending he doesn’t support, have you seen his posts in the Ukraine thread.

I have not ventured over there lately.

I think he posts during coffee breaks from the teachers lounge.

 

[BeardedVol]

My god what department do you work for?

You are literally for sending $100 up to DC and getting $70 back.

I tell you what I know of an investment opportunity I can cut you in on. Looking for investors.

Why do you love big government??

Tennessee sends ~$81-87 billion to Washington, and receives $103-$113 billion in direct transfers (not counting federal grants to Tennessee institutions) in return.

Balance of Payments Portal | Rockefeller Institute of Government

Explore the balance of payments between states and the Federal government.

rockinst.org

So even even if Tennessee declined the ~$1.1 billion in DoE funds, it would still be in the hole for federal funding vs federal taxes.

 

[BeardedVol]

Dude is a troll, there is no agency or spending he doesn’t support, have you seen his posts in the Ukraine thread.

Lol, I'm a troll because I don't blame the DoE for Tennessee kids remaining ignorant, when the Tennessee Board of Education, and local school boards control education standards and curriculum in Tennessee?

You take blind partisanship to a whole new level; I'm not going to lie, it's actually quite impressive.

 

[hog88]

Lol, I'm a troll because I don't blame the DoE for Tennessee kids remaining ignorant, when the Tennessee Board of Education, and local school boards control education standards and curriculum in Tennessee?

You take blind partisanship to a whole new level; I'm not going to lie, it's actually quite impressive.

I blame the parents.

You’re a child, my disgust for the federal government has nothing to do with partisanship. We do not need the federal government redistributing our money back to us. Keep our taxes local.

 

[BeardedVol]

I blame the parents.

You’re a child, my disgust for the federal government has nothing to do with partisanship. We do not need the federal government redistributing our money back to us. Keep our taxes local.

The welfare state of Tennessee currently get's back more than the residents and business pay into the system, and 1/3 of the state budget is federal funding.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Dude is a troll, there is no agency or spending he doesn’t support, have you seen his posts in the Ukraine thread.

Yeah

He is pretty sad the The Orange Trumpet paused funds to Ukraine. Now there is actually progress in a conflict that the US should have never been involved with in the first place.

 

[EasternVol]

Given the downward track record of education in the US since its inception, clearly we don’t. 50 states, 50 models to choose from. States with marginal or lacking systems would likely adopt the policies and systems of states with better results and achievement.

Downward track since the US' inception? Did we start the country in 2000?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Tennessee sends ~$81-87 billion to Washington, and receives $103-$113 billion in direct transfers (not counting federal grants to Tennessee institutions) in return.

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Balance of Payments Portal | Rockefeller Institute of Government

Explore the balance of payments between states and the Federal government.

rockinst.org

So even even if Tennessee declined the ~$1.1 billion in DoE funds, it would still be in the hole for federal funding vs federal taxes.

I don’t think you realize what is going to happen. The entire grift is going to die. No reason to involve the Federal government in state and local education of students.

Why do you like big government?