Why do Vol fans not like Cutcliffe?

#26
#26
RNVol said:
And it will probably be the last. If Cutcliffe is hired I am done posting about UT football, this would ruin my love for UT football that has been passed down though several generations and runs deep on both sides of my family.
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We don't need fans like you. Especially generations of fans like you.
 
#27
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Originally Posted by AFL2008 View Post
In addition, the guy was a HC at Ole Miss, so he has SEC experience and recruiting ties. And he was 44-29, (25-23) at Ole Miss, which isn't exactly a terrible record for that school. Also he was 4-1 in bowl games.
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So that would make him 53-44, counting Duke? Those are real world beating numbers. Anybody but Cutcliffe.
 
#29
#29
Given the siutation, Cut wouldn't be a bad resolve. The guy did a good job at Ole Miss. He's respectable at the Vanderbilt of the ACC. He brings immediate stability into the situation.

I'm not sure what being a Fulmer clone means. I can't find much wrong with cloning the Phil that coached from '92 to about '01. The program was certainly more successful with Cut involved in it than without.

I can think of a lot worse ways to play the hand UT has been dealt.
 
#30
#30
He isn't a world burner. Vols fans are sick of seeing our 2 biggest rivals win 3 of the last 4 national titles... we want a "young gun" that will breathe more life into the program and come in here and win an SEC title by 3 years and a National Title in 4-5. Cut is seen as "safe". "Safe" isn't "good" to some people.


I don't think Cut is as bad of a choice as some people are making it look... but I would be surprised if we win the SEC under him. We might hit 10 wins (including a bowl game). We'll be on par with UGA, Ole Miss and Auburn instead of Bama, LSU and UF and that is what has some folks on here PO'd.
 
#32
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nbakerld said:
We don't need fans like you. Especially generations of fans like you.
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+1

I say if you all want to go jump ship, go right ahead. Hell, I'll even encourage you. The last thing we need is fans like you, who can't stand the thought of someone who even had the most incidental connection to Fulmer being coach. The raw hatred of Fulmer on here and elsewhere is just despicable. How old is Mack Brown? Just because someone's old doesn't mean they don't know their stuff. The problem with Fulmer is just like the one with Bobby Bowden: They got stale. Cutcliffe isn't stale. He's a guy that knows what he's doing. If he were coming up for an extension after a 20-year tenure, you might have a point.

Oh, and before you bring up Duke's record, let me be the first to point out Kiffin was 5-15 at the Raiders. I don't think the ghost of Bear Bryant could win at Duke, jmo.
 
#35
#35
Why would we pay Cut 2 to 3 million a year for basically the same thing we paid 6 million to get rid of. I like Cut, but Duke is where he needs to be.
 
#36
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DC Vol said:
He isn't a world burner. Vols fans are sick of seeing our 2 biggest rivals win 3 of the last 4 national titles... we want a "young gun" that will breathe more life into the program and come in here and win an SEC title by 3 years and a National Title in 4-5. Cut is seen as "safe". "Safe" isn't "good" to some people.


I don't think Cut is as bad of a choice as some people are making it look... but I would be surprised if we win the SEC under him. We might hit 10 wins (including a bowl game). We'll be on par with UGA, Ole Miss and Auburn instead of Bama, LSU and UF and that is what has some folks on here PO'd.
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I tend to agree. What some people can't seem to realize is it's hard to bring out 14-0 from 7-6. Sometimes you need someone to get you back to 10-2 before you can start talking about being a championship contender.
 
#38
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Snakes on a Wii said:
+1

I say if you all want to go jump ship, go right ahead. Hell, I'll even encourage you. The last thing we need is fans like you, who can't stand the thought of someone who even had the most incidental connection to Fulmer being coach. The raw hatred of Fulmer on here and elsewhere is just despicable. How old is Mack Brown? Just because someone's old doesn't mean they don't know their stuff. The problem with Fulmer is just like the one with Bobby Bowden: They got stale. Cutcliffe isn't stale. He's a guy that knows what he's doing. If he were coming up for an extension after a 20-year tenure, you might have a point.

Oh, and before you bring up Duke's record, let me be the first to point out Kiffin was 5-15 at the Raiders. I don't think the ghost of Bear Bryant could win at Duke, jmo.
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You truly dont understand, I am a Fulmer fan. He did great things at UT but also did some things I didnt think was right even at the time and then he stuck around way too long and thought he was bigger than the program.

The Cutcliffe hire makes 0 sense. The fact that UT wants to continue to go backwards hurts me and a lot of other people who have only known being Vols fans their entire life.

Im sure you dont understand but moves like this emotionally affect me because I am that much emotionally invested in my Vols. The people making the decisions dont know what the hell they're doing and it seems like there is no end to it.

Im always going to be a Vol but I cant support this stupid adminstration anymore.
 
#39
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Snakes on a Wii said:
I tend to agree. What some people can't seem to realize is it's hard to bring out 14-0 from 7-6. Sometimes you need someone to get you back to 10-2 before you can start talking about being a championship contender.
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People also forget Alabama went through a ridiculous number of coaches before landing Saban and UF was left in the hands of Ron Zook before they got Meyer.
 
#40
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RNVol said:
Im sure you dont understand but moves like this emotionally affect me because I am that much emotionally invested in my Vols.

Im always going to be a Vol but I cant support this stupid adminstration anymore.
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All of us are emotionally invested in the Volunteers RNVol that is one of the beautiful things about sports. We all form an identity they are as much our Vols as they are the coaching staff's or the administration's. I don't like the idea of Cutcliffe either but I take great pride in our program and watching Tennessee play football win or lose. I'm at least willing to let this play out and if Coach Cut is announced see what sort of staff he will put together.
 
#41
#41
Retread.....no excitement to this hire. That being said, Cut believes in discipline and hopefully the off the field troubles would be very small. Can Cut get UT back to the top of the SEC? Bottom line is that Cut is a SOLID hire, but with his ties to the past only improvements on the field will excite the fan base.
 
#42
#42
So what we are saying here is that in Mike Hamilton's opinion. this is the best hire that UT can get? Out of all the coaches in America, to come and coach in the SEC at a school that is in the top 10 in career victories. To go back 15 to 20 yrs of what he did for P Manning, it is really hard for me to believe and I think I am not the only one, that this is the best that can be done. NO WAY!!!!!!!
 
#43
#43
RNVol said:
You truly dont understand, I am a Fulmer fan. He did great things at UT but also did some things I didnt think was right even at the time and then he stuck around way too long and thought he was bigger than the program.

The Cutcliffe hire makes 0 sense. The fact that UT wants to continue to go backwards hurts me and a lot of other people who have only known being Vols fans their entire life.

Im sure you dont understand but moves like this emotionally affect me because I am that much emotionally invested in my Vols. The people making the decisions dont know what the hell they're doing and it seems like there is no end to it.

Im always going to be a Vol but I cant support this stupid adminstration anymore.
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Fulmer went 5-7 on both sides of a Cutcliffe stay that saw success, given the cogs we had to work with. I fail to see how Cut is even remotely responsible for Fulmer's failed years.


I think Cutcliffe can work out something pretty well if we can retain some OL in this class (James, Fulton) and Bray, Ambles and Milton. If he retains Kippy on staff as OC/WR and Thompson as DC/LB... that might be, overall, the best staff realistically possible in such a small timeframe (from blind-side vacancy to filled position in less than 72 hours).

I only bolded that part because I felt this was 80% of the reason why Cut is here. Also, I think this has more to do with the boosters than it does with Hamilton... and I think Fulmer will be AD within 4-5 months... also a booster/BoT move.
 
#44
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TreeGreen said:
All of us are emotionally invested in the Volunteers RNVol that is one of the beautiful things about sports. We all form an identity they are as much our Vols as they are the coaching staff's or the administration's. I don't like the idea of Cutcliffe either but I take great pride in our program and watching Tennessee play football win or lose. I'm at least willing to let this play out and if Coach Cut is announced see what sort of staff he will put together.
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But you & I both realize that we're starting to lose the purpose of having pride in the football team. That is when we respect that the Athletic Department is doing the right things to make sure that we can stay competitive and that we have a reason to show our Vol pride.

There is no progress being made. I want to see Tennessee win and be competitive like everybody else does, but the people who are being paid to handle this are not following through on our expectations.

This situation just proves the theory of Tennessee football heading into irrelevance just like LSU did for 25 years.
 
#45
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DC Vol said:
Fulmer went 5-7 on both sides of a Cutcliffe stay that saw success, given the cogs we had to work with. I fail to see how Cut is even remotely responsible for Fulmer's failed years.


I think Cutcliffe can work out something pretty well if we can retain some OL in this class (James, Fulton) and Bray, Ambles and Milton. If he retains Kippy on staff as OC/WR and Thompson as DC/LB... that might be, overall, the best staff realistically possible in such a small timeframe (from blind-side vacancy to filled position in less than 72 hours).

I only bolded that part because I felt this was 80% of the reason why Cut is here. Also, I think this has more to do with the boosters than it does with Hamilton... and I think Fulmer will be AD within 4-5 months... also a booster/BoT move.
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We should've made a hire for the future. If we were going to sacrifice this recruiting class basically to make the right hire it should've been given to a young assistant with connections in the south or NFL.

Cutcliffe will only be here for 3-5 years and thats not enough time to rebuild this program. We needed someone with a 5-10 year plan for the program to become among the Top 5 Nationally and then stick around to make sure it stays that way before retiring.
 
#46
#46
I think Cut and Phil were a great tandem. The Tennessee offensive started to slide after the 98 NC with Cut's departure and (my guess) Phil's meddling in the offense. When Cut was back for a year, things improved a bit, but I think Phil was still meddling.

Neither one was ever greater than the sum of the two. I fear that that Phil will impose himself on the program again but the time for greatness is long past.

It's a desperate, stop gap move. Maybe the timing was such that there was no great choice available but this move makes another three to five years of upheaval a cinch.
 
#48
#48
RNVol said:
Cutcliffe will only be here for 3-5 years and thats not enough time to rebuild this program. We needed someone with a 5-10 year plan for the program to become among the Top 5 Nationally and then stick around to make sure it stays that way before retiring.
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If that's what we want why did we hire Kiffin. I never though he'd bolt for another school (didn't think USC was available) but I thought he'd go NFL if he had any success here in his first few years.

It doesn't take 5-10 years to rebuild a program like Tennessee. Look at Bama.
 
#49
#49
Honestly, Cutcliffe was probably my favorite part of the Fulmer era. I always thought he was a good disciplinarian and a solid X's and O's guy (but not great).

At the end of the day he's cut from the same cloth. He's already saying he wants to bring his Duke assistants back to UT. Are they the best people for the job? Has he even bothered to find out? No. He's bringing them because they're 'his guys'. The Good 'Ol Boy network is back.

Neyland Stadium may be a ghost town in a couple of years.
 
#50
#50
well, the reason i think most fans are mad about the idea of getting cut isn't that he is an awful coach but where would you rank him out of...
saban
meyer
spurrier
miles
richt
nutt
petrino
chizik
brooks
johnson
mullen
who would you want to go play for if you were a hs player, and how many sec games a year would tenn have a coaching advantage w/ cut and his duke coaches
 
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