Why do people think firing coaches is the answer?

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sjt18 said:
If Jones could even just hold the '15 class that is committed now... UT would have little trouble attracting an "in demand" coach.
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That's the same thing that was said before we couldn't find a "proven" coach the last time we went through such a situation. The 'this is UT and we are entitled to a championship coach' attitude just doesn't hold the same weight it did long ago. However, that could change once we become a winning program again - it's a chicken or the egg paradigm.

The idea of firing Butch now is just plain ignorant in the most fundamental definition of the word.

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sjt18 said:
That is NOT true. The next coach if it becomes necessary to let Jones go won't care about any of that. They will care about the offer and the condition of the program to include the talent on the roster. They'll assess the immediate benefit to them but also the prospects for great success. If Jones could even just hold the '15 class that is committed now... UT would have little trouble attracting an "in demand" coach.
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.....again, just like Florida.:crazy:
 
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Deputy Fife said:
I'm sure there are exceptions but this is a non-issue largely invented by the sheep as a coping mechanism.
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So, which is it, no one wants to fire them or there are some that want to fire them? Man, I thought Barney Five was a fictional character.
 
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TVOL71 said:
You prefer to do it like Muschamp? Not me. And Freeze did not do anything special in his first 2 years (6-6, 7-5 reg season). Saban had better talent to begin with, but still went 6-6 his first year.
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6-6 & 7-5 (with bowl wins) is far better than any coach has done here in the last 6 years.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
So, which is it? No one wants to fire them or there are some that want to fire him. Man, I thought Barney Five was a fictional character.
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You can find exceptions to most rules, doesn't give you an excuse to blow it way out of proportion by dismissing all critical opinions of the staff as "instant gratification idiots wanting all the coaches fired now."

In fairness, I'm not sure if you in particular are guilty of that or not, I'm just talking about the sheep in general.
 
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MedicT said:
The statement was sarcastic in nature based on the frequently expressed opinion that a second season is the make or break year for a coach. Muschamp's second year went fairly well then the bottom fell out.:crazy:
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I was agreeing with you about how ridiculous the 2nd year theory is - sjt loves to argue.

Look at Brady Hoke's record at Michigan. 11-2 and straight downhill from there.
 
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Deputy Fife said:
You can find exceptions to most rules, doesn't give you an excuse to blow it way out of proportion by dismissing all critical opinions of the staff as "instant gratification idiots wanting all the coaches fired now."

In fairness, I'm not sure if you in particular are guilty of that or not, I'm just talking about the sheep in general.
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You are the one that said in bold, " no one".
 
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As a fan base, we're in year 6 of what seems like a downhill spiral... at warp speed. And that's frustrating as hell. CBJ and staff haven't completed year 2 yet. How many on our team are CBJ recruits and how many were brought on board by someone else? Is less than 2 years a reasonable time for our coach to meet our expectations???

CBJ gets it, and he's gonna get us there. All you armchair coaches need to chill the eff out!!!

GBO!!!!
 
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If this staff is the answer, today should be the last loss of the season. There's no good excuse for losing any of the November games.
 
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TNDeb3 said:
As a fan base, we're in year 6 of what seems like a downhill spiral... at warp speed. And that's frustrating as hell. CBJ and staff haven't completed year 2 yet. How many on our team are CBJ recruits and how many were brought on board by someone else? Is less than 2 years a reasonable time for our coach to meet our expectations???

CBJ gets it, and he's gonna get us there. All you armchair coaches need to chill the eff out!!!

GBO!!!!
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2/3 of the roster was recruited by the current staff.
 
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DD4ME said:
I have 4 concern levels. Next year I believe some real lines in the sand should exist for coaches.

Low but genuine concern:
no bowl game this year

Mid and growing concern:
no ranked/rival sec victory next year but bowl game is made -
Position coach may need to go

High:
no bowl game next year - a coordinator needs to go; Bajakian very likely

Defcon 1: all bets off
We lose to Vandy with Mason
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Return on Investment and Handling Expectations: for $3 mil a year head coach plus thousands for rest of staff, what should be the ROI? Recruiting talent just isn't enough, coaches have to develop these recruits into skill players who produce wins; high goals is one thing-- never ending coach speak Is another. I believe most fans listen with the intent of understanding; sometimes I feel I can predict what CBJ's comment will be at the pressers. Cocky is one thing; confidence is backing it up. CBJ needs Vandy/Kentucky wins this season. Has any VOLS coach ever went 4-8? CBJ can sell the goods in the best, enthusiastic way. Either back it up or be genuine enough in your communication that we don't believe you, CBJ.
 
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TVOL71 said:
Yes, he managed 9 wins in 2010, but then fell back to 7-6 the next year, and by the way, they have yet to be better than 4-4 against SEC teams, and play cream-puff out of SEC games. If UT had played a cream puff instead of Oregon last year a bowl game would have occurred, probably the same this year.
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Don't discredit him for "only" going 4-4 when he's in a tougher division and we haven't seen that since 2009. At this point this fanbase would gladly celebrate a .500 season in conference like we won the NC. Give Butch a cream puff instead of UO or OU and he wins 6. Still a far cry from 9 so don't blame it on the OOC schedule.
 
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TVOL71 said:
Yes, he it appears he is just now really actually starting to turn it around in his sixth year as head coach. Note that he has had a 5-7, two 7-6 and one 8-5 season, plus the 9-4 season in 2010 (which was something of an anomaly). And his SEC schedules include Kentucky as his regular East rival, and Ole Miss and Arkansas have not been good the last few years, and he played UT with Dooley in 2012. So except for the win against #22 Florida in 2010, he has not beaten a top 25 team until this year. Except for that Florida win, I don't see how this is different from UT. And UT beat a higher ranked SC last year. So by your observation, using the same schedule we should expect UT to really turn it around in 2018. I am betting that Butch turns it around sooner.
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It doesn't matter if he didn't beat top 25 ranked teams he beat the teams he was supposed to. Once again that hasnt happened on the hill on a regular basis in 5+ years.
 
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TVOL71 said:
You prefer to do it like Muschamp? Not me. And Freeze did not do anything special in his first 2 years (6-6, 7-5 reg season). Saban had better talent to begin with, but still went 6-6 his first year.
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Go back and look at Shula's classes and tell me Saban had this unbelievable talent. Shula had like two top 20 classes out of his 4-5. Ole Miss was 6-18 and 1-15 in the SEC and lost to an FCS team the 2 yrs prior to Freeze. Tell me that was a better situation and point out Nutt's stocked cupboard.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
I think the folks the OP is referring to need to remember that after Dooley was fired, none of the "big name" coaches that were approached by UT wanted the job. And, the one that thought about taking it was nearly on the plane headed to Knoxville then turned it down in the 11th hour. Those coaches understood how decimated this program was, how difficult it is to win consistently in the SEC, and the expectations of the high-dollar donors & fan base.

That's the reality we live in at the moment. The best thing we can do (even if it's painful) is to give this coach (and whatever staff he's willing to risk his reputation with) the full four years he signed on for. That in itself will aid in the attractiveness of the job if another coaching search were to actually be necessary.
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they will use the threat of tanking recruiting in season 4 to extort an extension. That's why you have blind side them after season 3.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
It doesn't matter if he didn't beat top 25 ranked teams he beat the teams he was supposed to. Once again that hasnt happened on the hill on a regular basis in 5+ years.
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UT has beat the teams we were supposed to beat last year and this, so what is your point? And he probably should have beaten Ole Miss in 12, but they didn't.
 
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TVOL71 said:
UT has beat the teams we were supposed to beat last year and this, so what is your point? And he probably should have beaten Ole Miss in 12, but they didn't.
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Not quite. Regardless of Vandy's record we had more talent and should've won at our place last year, should've beaten UF this year and likely last year. Also, whether we should've beaten UGA last year on paper is pretty moot considering we had a TD lead with a 1:30 left and couldn't put them away, so we should've won that game given the circumstances.
 
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