Why do people think firing coaches is the answer?

#76
#76
DD4ME said:
I have 4 concern levels. Next year I believe some real lines in the sand should exist for coaches.

Low but genuine concern:
no bowl game this year

Mid and growing concern:
no ranked/rival sec victory next year but bowl game is made -
Position coach may need to go

High:
no bowl game next year - a coordinator needs to go; Bajakian very likely

Defcon 1: all bets off
We lose to Vandy with Mason
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Defcon 5: Normal NC contender status (1995-2003)

Defcon 4: Normal SEC power (1990-1995 or so)

Defcon 3: Noticable recession (2004-2008)

Defcon 2: Not making a bowl game or loss to Vandy (2011-2013)

Defcon 1: Losing to all rivals in a season
 
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majorvol said:
Who would be your hire for HC, DC , OC ?..... And how long have THEY been together..
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I'm ok with who we have for now. I am not fond of the offense but it's my opinion that Butch and Bajakian and this offense are basically a combo package. I personally would have preferred to have gotten Butch but kept Chaney and Pittman because of the stability so many people talk about. See I agree with people that saying firing coaches randomly is dumb. IMO Chaney did well here as he put up one of our most prolific offenses. That said Butch likes his guys so I respect his plan. My only real concern is that while his plan may work another retooling of the offense is what is helping to set us back. No coach is perfect.
 
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#79
TucsonVol said:
The key is not to even think about football anymore. This season is a bust. Just go ahead and accept the fact that we are going to continue this losing trend for a long time. CBJ & Company are doing the best they know how to do...they can't help it if their skill level is a little below the average. We just have to accept it and move on. CBJ dresses nice though.
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How exactly do you know this? Did you ever see Saban Coach at Mich St? He didn't look like a 5 million dollar Coach that would win championships. He never won anything at Mich St and may have had one ten win season. And took him a few yrs to get straight at LSU. So to make that state.statement really deserves some type of evidence to back it up. Cause I haven't seen that with Butch. He just needs to upgrade the OC, QB Coach and the Oline Coach. Other than that everything looks pretty good.
 
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alexbond45 said:
Defcon 5: Normal NC contender status (1995-2003)

Defcon 4: Normal SEC power (1990-1995 or so)

Defcon 3: Noticable recession (2004-2008)

Defcon 2: Not making a bowl game or loss to Vandy (2011-2013)

Defcon 1: Losing to all rivals in a season
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Agree but sadly we are like a 3rd world country with all new security levels now.
 
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Deputy Fife said:
Butch is married to Bajakian and this crap offense. Even if he's forced to fire Baja at some point, the offense will never change as long as Butch is HC; it's his system.
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A QB that can run and throw will change things........Remember Tee Martin
 
#82
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alexbond45 said:
Defcon 5: Normal NC contender status (1995-2003)

Defcon 4: Normal SEC power (1990-1995 or so)

Defcon 3: Noticable recession (2004-2008)

Defcon 2: Not making a bowl game or loss to Vandy (2011-2013)

Defcon 1: Losing to all rivals in a season
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On the flip side, having 8 to 10 win seasons every third year or so (right now) .....unicorns and rainbows lol...jk
 
#83
#83
keckjm said:
Oh, lol, this may happen and it's not going to go well. Mahoney has to prove he can recruit and coach. So far, it seams he can't do either very well. I'm willing to let it play out, but if we only win 4 games and CBJ makes no changes he better be ready to win 7-8 games next year, which we won't be able to do IMO. Our roster is a disaster at QB and OL right now, but people aren't going to accept 4 win seasons. I agree with your stance on this matter, but understand most fans aren't going to be singing high praises if we only win 4 games this year. CBJ would have to make a change, because if he doesn't he'll be gambling his job in the hopes that Mahoney can turn it around by next year.
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This.. All day long.. End thread please..

Sunshine sheep if he wins only 4 games u r looking at fools 2.0 in yr 3.. So get ready in yr 3 to keep posting he needs 3 more yrs...


Most on this board wanted to give fools at least 5 yrs.. Now they r using him as an excuse but he had a better record than current staff at this point but let's give this staff 5 yrs..geeez.. Thank god you are not running my 100m business..

Cbj will make 15m off ut if he is here 5 yrs.. Let that sink in n your expectations are what?? Music city bowl??? He is getting paid to win championships n not take 10 yrs to do it..
 
#84
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chargervol said:
On the flip side, having 8 to 10 win seasons every third year or so (right now) .....unicorns and rainbows lol...jk
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Well, it's only a fan defcon not a program

5: Fans happy and ***** about worthless BS

4: Fans happy but wish Mark Richt Our coach would actually do something

3: Fans beginning to freak but hoping for improvement

2: Fans blaming coaches for everything

1: WWIII
 
#85
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DD4ME said:
I'm ok with who we have for now. I am not fond of the offense but it's my opinion that Butch and Bajakian and this offense are basically a combo package. I personally would have preferred to have gotten Butch but kept Chaney and Pittman because of the stability so many people talk about. See I agree with people that saying firing coaches randomly is dumb. IMO Chaney did well here as he put up one of our most prolific offenses. That said Butch likes his guys so I respect his plan. My only real concern is that while his plan may work another retooling of the offense is what is helping to set us back. No coach is perfect.
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Agree nobody's perfect.. The claw fence works ...... Dave is very successful .
 
#86
#86
First let me say that I do not want anyone fired regardless of their skill level. CBJ & Company now understand it is not the player's fault. It is about the ability of CBJ & Company to coach at a higher level. They are not anywhere close. They have to figure out how to coach to win in this league otherwise the players will never get there. It's more about CBJ & Company raising their level of expertise. This is not Cincinnati!! The guys will probably even get a raise at the end of the season because they came top work on time. Whatever happens I do not want these guys fired. They are the best we can afford.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
How exactly do you know this? Did you ever see Saban Coach at Mich St? He didn't look like a 5 million dollar Coach that would win championships. He never won anything at Mich St and may have had one ten win season. And took him a few yrs to get straight at LSU. So to make that state.statement really deserves some type of evidence to back it up. Cause I haven't seen that with Butch. He just needs to upgrade the OC, QB Coach and the Oline Coach. Other than that everything looks pretty good.
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I like your response! Well said!
 
#88
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jasonvol18 said:
How exactly do you know this? Did you ever see Saban Coach at Mich St? He didn't look like a 7million dollar Coach that would win championships. He never won anything at Mich St and may have had one ten win season. And took him a few yrs to get straight at LSU. So to make that state.statement really deserves some type of evidence to back it up. Cause I haven't seen that with Butch. He just needs to upgrade the OC, QB Coach and the Oline Coach. Other than that everything looks pretty good.
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fyp
 
#89
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majorvol said:
A QB that can run and throw will change things........Remember Tee Martin
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Better hope Jennings can be that guy as I doubt Dormady and Kendall are the best runners, which makes you question why we recuited them in the first place.
 
#90
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DD4ME said:
I'm ok with who we have for now. I am not fond of the offense but it's my opinion that Butch and Bajakian and this offense are basically a combo package. I personally would have preferred to have gotten Butch but kept Chaney and Pittman because of the stability so many people talk about. See I agree with people that saying firing coaches randomly is dumb. IMO Chaney did well here as he put up one of our most prolific offenses. That said Butch likes his guys so I respect his plan. My only real concern is that while his plan may work another retooling of the offense is what is helping to set us back. No coach is perfect.
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Agree. The Zone Read scheme is good and a lot of teams run it and are very successful at it. But Bajakian hasn't altered the offense or playcalling to best suit the players he has right now.Not to mention he has done nothing or made any kind of adjustments to help the young Oline out. Like adding a two TE set. Downs has said he loves to block and is a good blocking TE as is Helm then we have Wolfe who is a great pass catcher but not the best blocker. Seems like a no brainer to try and get an extra blocker in at TE or a second RB, which they have tried a few times. But Bajakian going with an empty backfield at any point is aweful. The line struggles as it is then there is nobody back to help protect the QB. I'm obviously not a playcaller and never will be but that just seems pretty much common sense, unless I'm missing something on that.
 
#91
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If you read my posts going back to the coaching search I actually really wanted Andersen who is now at Wisconsin. I wanted him and to keep Chaney, for stability. Andersen is a defensive guy and I though he and an established Chaney could do really well. That said even if they were better coaches they would pale greatly in comparison to how Butch has initially recruited IMO. I watch Wisconsin now to see would I be the idiot if I were AD. Lol.

I do believe the stability format Butch strives for with same staff same vision etc etc is a very valuable platform to work from. I just hope the pieces fall into place.
 
#92
#92
Hey, I have an idea. I wonder if these online universities have a coaching curriculum so coaches can take courses online to raise their skill level?
 
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Deputy Fife said:
Better hope Jennings can be that guy as I doubt Dormady and Kendall are the best runners, which makes you question why we recuited them in the first place.
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Running QB's are not what this offense generally uses. They haven't recruited a Dual Threat QB since arriving here. They prefer a pass first QB than can run it just enough. Dormady and Kendall both fit exactly what they want in a QB. Peterman and even Dobbs are two more examples of what they like. Neither Peterman nor Dobbs were considered DT QB's. So they are recruiting exactly what they need at QB to run the offense.
 
#94
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DD4ME said:
If you read my posts going back to the coaching search I actually really wanted Andersen who is now at Wisconsin. I wanted him and to keep Chaney, for stability. Andersen is a defensive guy and I though he and an established Chaney could do really well. That said even if they were better coaches they would pale greatly in comparison to how Butch has initially recruited IMO. I watch Wisconsin now to see would I be the idiot if I were AD. Lol.

I do believe the stability format Butch strives for with same staff same vision etc etc is a very valuable platform to work from. I just hope the pieces fall into place.
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I think I nailed my pick.
But then again, it was general Neyland rising and taking the helm.
So I also lose by default.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Running QB's are not what this offense generally uses. They haven't recruited a Dual Threat QB since arriving here. They prefer a pass first QB than can run it just enough. Dormady and Kendall both fit exactly what they want in a QB. Peterman and even Dobbs are two more examples of what they like. Neither Peterman nor Dobbs were considered DT QB's. So they are recruiting exactly what they need at QB to run the offense.
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Let's hope we can keep defenses honest in the future.
 
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Based on what I have seen on offense they will have issues again next year unless a new QB or an existing QB provides serious lift. We just won't have much new for oline.I do take Butch at his word and I believe Bajakian will be put to test in the offseason to be more dynamic.
 
#99
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92volalum said:
This.. All day long.. End thread please..

Sunshine sheep if he wins only 4 games u r looking at fools 2.0 in yr 3.. So get ready in yr 3 to keep posting he needs 3 more yrs...


Most on this board wanted to give fools at least 5 yrs.. Now they r using him as an excuse but he had a better record than current staff at this point but let's give this staff 5 yrs..geeez.. Thank god you are not running my 100m business..

Cbj will make 15m off ut if he is here 5 yrs.. Let that sink in n your expectations are what?? Music city bowl??? He is getting paid to win championships n not take 10 yrs to do it..
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Was your 100m dollar business worth that in year two? Did most of the big machines need to be replaced in year two? Thank god you had time to build your business up, otherwise they could have foreclosed on your business before it got off the ground floor. I'm sure you never made a bad decision in the process of building the business. Hmmmmm. 5 years don't sound like that long when Ya put it that way. Let that sink in.
 
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#100
Deputy Fife said:
Let's hope we can keep defenses honest in the future.
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Would atleast make defenses put some focus on the QB on zone reads. With Worley they can focus just on the RB because unless it was a team like UTC Worley wasn't gonna keep it. But whether its Peterman or Dobbs that option will be there because both run fairly well.
 
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