Why do coaches turn down TN???

#52
#52
I think all this goes back to the boosters. It's the only common thing through all the different hires.

I don't think money is the problem, I think it's the boosters not giving up control of different aspects of the program that a big name coach would want.
 
#53
#53
It is not a question that has one answer.
1. Most of the money people are just that, in it to make money so as long as UT football makes money why spend the big bucks, return on investment.

2. Why would any coach that is a realistic big name come to a school that has so many cooks in the kitchen. Most of those coaches call the shots from top to bottom and I mean all of the shots. Administration and Big money boosters from those schools trust them right or wrong. Not going to happen on the Hill.

3.This one is touchy for many on this site. The expectations for
UT Football is extremely high. Now that is both a blessing and a curse. Most on here were not born or old enough to remember the way things really were back in the "GLORY" days.

Dickey came here and really got things revamped then left to go back to Florida. We hired a young up and comer, the youngest coach in the country I think at the time, in Battle he was good with Dickies recruits ,slowly slipped to just average and boom the Moving trucks came.

Then Johnnie came Marching Home. Fresh off a National Title and we were saved again.....wrong. Check to record for the first few years, not so glorious. Slowly but surely got Very Good again. Crazy calls during that time yes (Three yards and a cloud of dust against Bama every year when up until that point wide open offense., tied Army and won the Sugar Bowl BEATING MIAMI with the son of the coach that left for Florida and came back as A.D.) but still made progress in the right direction.

Johnnie got comfortable quit recruiting then got sick. The HEAD recruiter and O.C. took over and knew the backs to scratch and BAM the Fulmer era begins.

Top teams, National Champions and National Champion talks every year. Big Bowl games ,pros on every roster and things were great......then he like Majors got comfortable. Players started getting in trouble more often, recruiting always had great prospect but individuals became somewhat more questionable.

Loyalty to many of the coaches that were on the staff cost him his job in the end to some extent, he would not change until it was to late. To this day I still believe Randy Sanders was whom Fulmer and the powers that are still here today was being groomed to be HC when Fulmer retired.

Then THE SH.T HIT THE FAN. Kiffin wanted this to be nothing more than USC east, USC called he was gone.

Dooley just happen to be the only one that was going to take a chance with NSD basicly over and the program still not over the past few years of thugdom. Dont get me wrong some GREAT kids but some ....well.

He was way over his head and it showed and then we get.....Butch.

Great recruiter, has done some really good things and all but the wins has gotten us a program that is really something to be proud of but its all about the WINS. He is as bad of a game day coach that I have seen and he is also very insecure when it comes to his staff....remember best staff in America.

So here we are.

If you want see who we may hire when the axe falls this time look back at our history. We have hired ONE BIG TIME COACH EVER and that was Johnny. We have had only 2 VFL HC's....Johnny and Phil in the last 50 years or longer so that is NOT a requirment as so many think.

SO WITH ALL THAT SAID THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS BASICALY WE DON'T AGRESSIVELY GO AFTER THEM.

We have and will go for the Young up and comer as opposed to the proven one. It is what we do and I do not see that changing anytime soon.

WE will fire Butch, We will hire a mid major or up and comer and this board will do as it always does. Some will protest, some will do research and say it was a hidden gem type hire , some will get on board for the latest and greatest and some like myself will just hope that the next one will be as good as some from the past have been. If you look back it is about a 50/50 chance.

That is just who WE are but......MAYBE THIS TIME !!!!
 
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This job with the unreasonable expectation of the fan base coupled with local media that thrive on finding something to complain about is career suicide for coaches. Coaches that have said no or asked for ridiculous amount of money realize that and are protecting their future.

The good coaches will evaluate whether they think they can win immediately because they know that is what expected and to not do so will put a black mark on their resume.

All coaches are not program builders - they will not go into a place where they need to work their tails off to rebuild the culture. Those coaches look for places where they can have immediate success (... so as not to damage their reputation ....) then make a decision as to whether they can sustain the success or not and will bail before they are fired.
 
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Bigorange123 said:
In your OPINION, why have all these coaches turned down the TN football program in the last few hires...

Do they know something about the "powers that be" that we don't??? LWS has already said they don't care about winning..

Yes, I'm assuming that all the coaches have REALLY turned the job down. If I was running a business aka TN football, I'm not going to tell you I didn't look for the best coach, so you will by tickets, and concessions...

Opinions are never wrong.
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This happens everywhere. It's nothing unique. It's always about timing.

Funny how Alabama is the gold standard going all out to get the right guy but nobody remembers that Saban wasn't even their first choice... RichRod was.
 
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10 BCS championships by 5 SEC teams PLUS Georgia, Texas A&M, and Arkansas. Urban Meyer ran away from it. Even the Mississippi doormats have been ranked at or near the top of college football. The other doormats have even started to be decent. Great coaches can lose a **** load of games in the SEC.
 
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I think it has more to do with the fact that Tennessee isn’t quite the coaching utopia that many on this board think it is. Yes, everything you need to win big is here. But that situation is now at over half of the schools at our conference.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
What does prices have to do with a coach turning us down? :dunno:


But to comment on your off subject post, u can keep bi*#$ing. Because most keeps saying we need to throw the bank at the next head coach. These prices are going to jump if what they want happens.
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Why would the prices jump? We are already the highest grossing college football program in the country.

Bama fans don't pay more for those items and their coaches salaries are almost double what ours are.

Maybe if the UT administration had made better decisions supporting the football program with hiring decisions, they wouldn't have been paying out all those high buyouts.

Sometimes it's cheaper in the long run to spend the money up front instead of bargain shopping. And maybe creating an atmosphere of supporting your cash cow that brings in over 100 million dollars a year instead of acting like the scrooge with the money and support would bring in even MORE revenue.

Buy hey.. I don't know squat and it's jmo..
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Boosters don't give any control to the coach.

As much as fans talk about one of the most winning traditions the reality is it's been almost 20 years since we were relevant.

Fans attacking the coaches with anything that really has nothing to do with coaching ability. This fanbase makes the Philadelphia Eagles and NY Giants fans look like angels at times.
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Every fan base is like that. A & M and Gators want their coaches gone, and they have winning records so far.
 
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One quick look at our schedule from next year would explain why. And its not just who you have to play, its who you have to recruit against. Jimmy Sexton runs around telling people you can't win at Tennessee because we are "surrounded." To be fair he also says you can't win at Auburn. And he told Nick Saban you couldn't win anymore at Southern Cal because of the bad neighborhood its in.
 
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#65
Maybe fans having unrealistic expectations and being to quick to yap about firing coaches. Who wants to come into that mess...

i think the way fulmer was treated also continues to have negative effects on tennessee being able to attract a big name coach
 
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volfan102455 said:
This job with the unreasonable expectation of the fan base coupled with local media that thrive on finding something to complain about is career suicide for coaches.
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Both Dooley and Jones will cash out handsomely on a job that neither get a sniff of without major turmoil and inept leadership. I'm sure both have/will walk away with a grin.

Good coaches understand expectations at high pay programs. Their egos demand it of them. Jones liked to talk about them early on and then try to explain all of his achievements after questions about failures. His issues with the media started and ended with him.

To the expectations, what exactly has been unrealistic?
 
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ncvol17 said:
The fact that a portion of the fan base expects us to be Bama within 2 years.
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With the right coach, that could very well happen. When Shula left Alabama, their roster was no better than our current roster and in year # 2 Saban won a National Championship.
The right coach could take this team and make them National Championship winners. Would need ALOT of work at the q.b position though.
 
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Rudy123 said:
With the right coach, that could very well happen. When Shula left Alabama, their roster was no better than our current roster and in year # 2 Saban won a National Championship.
The right coach could take this team and make them National Championship winners. Would need ALOT of work at the q.b position though.
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Trying to compare/hire any college coach to Saban will always lead to disappointment.

Just because "He did it" doesn't mean another coach can.
 
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doctorchoice said:
One quick look at our schedule from next year would explain why. And its not just who you have to play, its who you have to recruit against. Jimmy Sexton runs around telling people you can't win at Tennessee because we are "surrounded." To be fair he also says you can't win at Auburn. And he told Nick Saban you couldn't win anymore at Southern Cal because of the bad neighborhood its in.
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Sexton is finally losing credibility. He could not get Butch a raise or an extension. Hyperbole is only good if you have something to back it up with.
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
Maybe fans having unrealistic expectations and being to quick to yap about firing coaches. Who wants to come into that mess...

i think the way fulmer was treated also continues to have negative effects on tennessee being able to attract a big name coach
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So, we fired a coach that had 2 losing seasons in his last 4 years and we are the villains? Try that at Alabama, Michigan, Florida, Georgia, or Ohio State.

If coaches were making a big deal about the Fulmer firing then I would have to wonder what Ole Phil was telling these people?
 
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On the Sports Source show this morning, the panel said that Hart offered Gundy and Strong a raise from their previous pay and Gundy turned down the raise while Strong initally accepted the UT job before turning Hart down and staying at Louisville before accepting the Texas job.

Jones's pay is 16th in the nation of salaries for the top 30 coaches in 2017.
 
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