Why didn't we accept the holding penalty on Gurley's 3rd down run with 1:20 left?

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1. Declining the penalty left 40 seconds on clock after UGA timeout
2. If Butch accepts and UGA in theory runs for two yards, clock goes down to about 15 secs with no timeouts and a punt on the way
3. Your defense should be able to stuff a 4th and 3
 
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AboveAllNations said:
With about 1:20 left, Gurley got an 8-yard gain on 3rd and 11 but Georgia was flagged for holding. After an extensive conversation with Butch Jones, the refs announced that we were declining the holding penalty. After that, Georgia let the game clock run down to 40 seconds before calling a timeout, and then converted the ensuing 4th and 3 to win the game.

So here's my question: why decline a holding penalty that would have stopped the clock and put Georgia in a 3rd and 21 situation with 1:20 left? We could've stopped them on the replayed 3rd down and gotten the ball back after a punt with about 30 seconds left.
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Math is tough for some when complex situations enter the equation
 
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govols2008 said:
I've been asking the same question since it happened. I'd rather have 3 and 13 than 4 and 3 against the best RB I've seen since AP. We has numerous coaching mistakes that cost us this game.
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Would have ran the clock out. Either way we were screwed.
 
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It was the decision that could have put us in the best position to do something afterwards. But it all depended on the D getting a stop. Which they didn't.
 
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Anyone who thinks we should have accepted the penalty there is either trolling or stupid.

Sorry, but don't make stupid comments
 
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Damned if you do damned if you don't, we just stopped Gurley in the backfield and gave the coaches a feeling we could stop them on 4th down, everyone knew gurley was gonna get te ball back, you have to trust your D! Put them in big situations and let them work! Nothing wrong calling that penalty decline and relying on a much improved faster defense.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Because he thought they would punt, and if not, the D would hold. Excuse him for having faith in his defense.
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Blind faith. He should have known Georgia was going for the kill shot at 4th and 3. Just because UT would have played ultra conservative, as always, and punted for a sure loss, doesn't mean Georgia will.
 
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govols120 said:
1. Declining the penalty left 40 seconds on clock after UGA timeout
2. If Butch accepts and UGA in theory runs for two yards, clock goes down to about 15 secs with no timeouts and a punt on the way
3. Your defense should be able to stuff a 4th and 3
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Yep. Accept the penalty and best case scenario is we have the ball at the 10 with time for 1 play.

No brainer.
 
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Just want to say something. Its been so hard the last Couple ofyears seeing 2 or 3 plays cost us the game. But when we start winning these games again, its going to feel so good. can't wait. Go Vols
 
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AboveAllNations said:
With about 1:20 left, Gurley got an 8-yard gain on 3rd and 11 but Georgia was flagged for holding. After an extensive conversation with Butch Jones, the refs announced that we were declining the holding penalty. After that, Georgia let the game clock run down to 40 seconds before calling a timeout, and then converted the ensuing 4th and 3 to win the game.

So here's my question: why decline a holding penalty that would have stopped the clock and put Georgia in a 3rd and 21 situation with 1:20 left? We could've stopped them on the replayed 3rd down and gotten the
ball back after a punt with about 30 seconds left.
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I'm pretty sure it was the fact that if we declined, the play clock would be at 25 taking us to 40 ticks left. Accepting the penalty, resets the clock to 40 seconds and runs (I'm pretty sure). So we stop them, UGA could be facing a 4th and long with a running 40 second play clock starting at 1:15ish.
 
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Call me crazy if you want too. But Gurley did not convert on 1 yd touchdown and he did not convert on 4th and 3 on last play. He was obviously short if you wat h slow motion replay. Georgia got gifted today. Enjoy it , the next five won't be so easy. Butthurt
 
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jamesthesame said:
Okay we accept the holding. Georgia runs the play clock down to 40 and runs the ball. Lets say there is now 35 seconds on the clock. They run it down to 10 seconds before snapping on fourth down and call a timeout. Then they run it again leaving us a few seconds with our offensive line to throw the deep ball.
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There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. To be clear, the game clock STOPS on an accepted penalty. The game clock kept running down to 40 seconds because we declined the penalty. If we had accepted, Georgia would've faced 3rd and 21 from midfield with the clock stopped at 1:20.

Assuming we hold on 3rd down, we would've gotten the ball back with over 30 seconds left down by 3. Again, what was Jones thinking?
 
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tbulla said:
Call me crazy if you want too. But Gurley did not convert on 1 yd touchdown and he did not convert on 4th and 3 on last play. He was obviously short if you wat h slow motion replay. Georgia got gifted today. Enjoy it , the next five won't be so easy. Butthurt
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I think you are wrong sir. I watched slow mo
 
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The clock does not stay stopped after the flag. They would have spotted the ball and wound the clock. The best chance we had was to take the play and stop them on 4th down. It was not 4th and a foot it was 4th and 3. We should have stopped them, period.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. To be clear, the game clock STOPS on an accepted penalty. The game clock kept running down to 40 seconds because we declined the penalty. If we had accepted, Georgia would've faced 3rd and 21 from midfield with the clock stopped at 1:20.

Assuming we hold on 3rd down, we would've gotten the ball back with over 30 seconds left down by 3. Again, what was Jones thinking?
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There was 1:06 left after the 3rd down play and with the penalty it would have been about 3rd and 20 with 1:06. The play clock would reset to 40, so UGA wouldn't have had to snap the ball until the game clock was under 30 seconds.

In other words it would've effectively ended the game, as they take a knee and we have no TOs.

Also, did any one else notice that when they did reset the play clock to 25 seconds and the game clock was at 1:06, UGA called their TO with 40 seconds left. I'm like how the hell do you run 26 secs off the clock when you only have a 25 play clock? Home-cooking timekeeping, that's how.
 
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Holding while killing the clock is probably the worst rules exploit that is still legal. The defense either has to try and stop you at the disadvantage of being held or accept the penalty and lose more time. There probably needs to be some special two minute clock rule to prevent it. But until there is if I'm leading late i would tell my ol to hug the defense. UGA did this to us three years ago and Dooley took the penalties. I think it was like four consecutive holding plays and they ran off over two minutes doing it.
 
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