Why didn't Butch sign a QB '14 class?

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1982Alum said:
I think next year we will safely be able to blame BOTH the QB and the OL for our losses. I don't see either area getting better. It's foolish to think this line will mature that much next year. They may only allow 3-4 sacks per game but it will still be ugly. As for Peterman, well he just looks so frail and scared out there that I really hope he is the backup to Dobbs next year. Dobbs MAY be able to run some next year.
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Yeah, I'm afraid our only hope is that Dobbs will be vastly improved after this redshirt season. I really don't have much hope for Peterman.
 
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You HAVE to have a QB with some mobility--to scramble, to buy time, to run. Worley's lack of mobility is a serious problem.
 
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estes said:
Worley WILL NOT RUN the ball???? Why, everybody we play has a QB that will run the ball,,,ie: 2nd string QB at Florida,,against us....Bo Wallace @ Ole Miss, Kitchens @ ARK State....Mauk @ Mizzou will, so will Bama's QB...At least the 2 plays Peterman was in he ran for 9 1/2 yards..Please let him keep and run at least once a quarter....or put Peterman in for that reason....
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:good!::good!:THIS^^^

Defenses are keying the run and not even playing this guy as a run possibility. Keeping the defense honest would help the Oline a ton. My theory is this: You keep the D honest with the dual threat. This, in turn, will make the run game much better. That, in turn, will help to open up the passing game, because of the run game threat. One part of the offense plays off of the other. When one phase of the offense is irrelevant, defenses can just overplay the other areas. Worley can throw it most times, but this offense needs a dual threat QB.
 
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Guys, go back and look at the recruiting numbers - I mean all the way back to before Dooley, even before Kiffen. The roster as a whole had fallen behind in what it takes to be relevant in the SEC. There were gapping holes in talent everywhere. Sure, there were a few bright spots here and there, but no extensive depth.

Also, the coaches thought we were at least 3 deep at QB during that time. This is why so many of those who've followed UT Football for a lengthy time have said that it will be 2016 before UT is really competitive again. It will take the program that long before they've developed the needed talent, depth, and balance on both sides of the ball. Yes, it's that bad.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Guys, go back and look at the recruiting numbers - I mean all the way back to before Dooley, even before Kiffen. The roster as a whole had fallen behind in what it takes to be relevant in the SEC. There were gapping holes in talent everywhere. Sure, there were a few bright spots here and there, but no extensive depth.

Also, the coaches thought we were at least 3 deep at QB during that time. This is why so many of those who've followed UT Football for a lengthy time have said that it will be 2016 before UT is really competitive again. It will take the program that long before they've developed the needed talent, depth, and balance on both sides of the ball. Yes, it's that bad.
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Well said. We had playmakers in 2012, but the defense was abysmal. We lost both lines and all the playmakers in the past two years, and we are left where we are now. It will take well-planned and successful recruiting for 2-3 years to fill in all the holes. We are already seeing the effect on defense.
 
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madbamahater said:
So why didn't he sign one in '14? No one has answered.......
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Wasn't for a lack of trying. Here is a list of guys that I can remember CBJ tried to get:

David Cornwell
Deshaun Watson
Deshone Kizer
Kyle Allen
Will Grier
Jacob Park
Jalen McClendon
Travon McMillian
Quniton Flowers

I am sure there were others, these were just one I remember. Educate yourself.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wasn't for a lack of trying. Here is a list of guys that I can remember CBJ tried to get:

David Cornwell
Deshaun Watson
Deshone Kizer
Kyle Allen
Will Grier
Jacob Park
Jalen McClendon
Travon McMillian
Quniton Flowers

I am sure there were others, these were just one I remember. Educate yourself.
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I believe your mixing it up with Dooley and Butch some guys Dooley was after..
 
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madbamahater said:
I wondered then and still wonder now.

Don't you always sign a QB every class?

Even if it's not "your guy" surely one kid was out there out of thousands that can play this style better, if the style isn't going to change.

The style not changing scares me. Because it means the coaches don't know how to adjust or be diverse......
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We had 4 QBs on campus already, and the staff probably felt there were bigger issues to address.

The bigger concern for me is why we're recruiting 2 pro-style QBs in the 2015 and 2016 classes. QD and AK may be able to run this offense, but I don't get why the staff is going after QBs who aren't suited for it.
 
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Dobbs is going to surprise a lot of folks on here. He made mistakes like a freshman and a lot of you only remember that but the guy has talent and his accuracy is not that poor. My guess is that his accuracy is getting better and better. I think he's cool under pressure. You can look in his eyes and see he's not scared. I think that's why he made some bad decisions...he wasn't scared to fail. Dobbs will ad new dynamic to this offense and hopefully we sign a couple frosh that are even better.
 
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madbamahater said:
So why didn't he sign one in '14? No one has answered.......
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Wasn't one good enough pure and simple...they went after Maclendon and Cornwell...every primo QB is committed by September nowadays. At some point you'd be signing somebody just to sign somebody...we end up with a Woody Quinn QB. :pinch:
 
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volleyvol said:
We had 4 QBs on campus already, and the staff probably felt there were bigger issues to address.

The bigger concern for me is why we're recruiting 2 pro-style QBs in the 2015 and 2016 classes. QD and AK may be able to run this offense, but I don't get why the staff is going after QBs who aren't suited for it.
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A much better recruiter than CBJ was his predecessor Brian Kelly who recruited all the QB that CBJ inherited in his previous two coaching stints. Moving up coaching ranks CBJ was known on the offensive side and utilized the spread offense, post Kelly, with the guys recruited to fit Kelly's scheme. Now is CBJ on same coaching level as Kelly? not sure, but add this variable to the SEC jump and no reason CBJ is struggling and pulling out all his clichés. CBJ has accumulated a winning record by playing with Kelly recruits/offensive scheme and now he walks into a leaking dam with lots of holes to plug. Not surprised with struggle in Y2, come the same in third year and he may be looking for vacation shack in Michigan.
 
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BSAvol said:
I beg to differ on the fan base. Any group of fans, supportive of their team, would complain after seeing such a poor product as the performance of this offense. I know we have 2 freshmen OL starters, but the other guys (along with several sitting on the bench) are in their second year under Mahoney. Development of talent is a responsibility of the OL coach.

Also, IMO the fan base has been extremely supportive with the noise in the stadium. It seems like there was some checkerboard theme going on at the Florida game too. If I'm not mistaken, that was a big show of support from the fans. They cannot be blamed for what is happening on the offensive side of the ball.
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We have an excellent fanbase that is overall supportive. However, the supportive ones showing up at the games are not the negative ones on this forum. I will say 90% of the Negative Nancy's on here are not season ticket holds and perhaps as many as 70% haven't been to a game this year. I for one have season tickets and have two kids currently at UT with a third that was just accepted last week and will be attending next year. I'm all Vol and yes I get frustrated, I've been all Vol for a long time and I can say with 100% certainty that Jones and his staff have been great for this program. Is this translating to wins? Not yet, but better times are ahead. We have another highly rated class currently committed those kids commit because they believe in our staff and see the passion of our fans at the games. However, they do look at these sites from time to time and all the negative can hurt. Especially, when people are calling for coaches heads which is rediculas at this point.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
But not sure what difference people think a different QB would make.
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Not sure why you think a QB that can see the field, has a long ball, recognizes double converage and doesn't throw unforced interceptions wouldn't make a difference over Worley.
 
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oregonvol said:
OK, so then tell us why he didn't sign 10 O-linemen, then. Why didn't he sign more than 1 JUCO? He knew he had to replace all of his starters and if, as you say, none of the other players matter if the O-line is bad, then he probably should have signed more of those guys, right?
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Because he decided to focus on our defense.

Had he signed 10 OL and focused on our offense everybody would be complaining that he didn't recruit more defensive players because "defense wins in the SEC".

Easy enough.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not sure why you think a QB that can see the field, has a long ball, recognizes double converage and doesn't throw unforced interceptions wouldn't make a difference over Worley.
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That would be awesome.
Next year maybe one of the freshmen will be that guy
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wasn't for a lack of trying. Here is a list of guys that I can remember CBJ tried to get:

David Cornwell
Deshaun Watson
Deshone Kizer
Kyle Allen
Will Grier
Jacob Park
Jalen McClendon
Travon McMillian
Quniton Flowers

I am sure there were others, these were just one I remember. Educate yourself.
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Quarterback recruiting is a nasty business and most of the top QBs commit to schools during their junior year. All the QbBs listed were already committed and as was Dobbs to other schools. Most of us thought that CBJ has done very well when he pulled Dobbs from Arizona State. We still don't know if he will provide the play needed to compete in the SEC.

CBJ has two quarterback in the 15 class and both seem to be quality players. In addition, he has a top rated QB committed for 2016. As many of us have stated, it takes TIME to rebuild program and recruiting quality quarterbacks takes more time than any other position. Help is on the way. We may find that one of the freshmen QBs will have to play next year and we also realize that it will take time for either of the freshmen to become SEC ready. Patience and understanding are required, but it will happen. We are moving up and will reach the top. Have faith and support the coaches and team. They hate losing more than any of us.

Remember that we are a college team and do not have the opportunity to draft players from high school or trade players with other colleges to fill our most urgent needs. It can only be accomplished through recruiting and CBJ'a recruiting has been outstanding. The fruits of CBJ"s recruitng is already evident with the playing of of 22 freshmen this year. These guys are just babes compared the the 4th and 5th year seniors they have had to play against. The talent level is increasing by leaps and bounds, but still need to be increased in quality and quantity.
 
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