Why did we call “THAT PLAY”?

#77
#77
B81 said:
Everyone keeps saying it was obvious we were going to pass. How so? We were on the one yard line. We could have ran. If we had, we may have scored, and probably lowered the risk of anything bad happening. However, if we did run and it got stuffed everyone would have been mad that the play call was too conservative, and we should have thrown to the outside. Our coaches called the play that they thought would have the most success. The players did not execute. Thats all. It happens. Get over it.
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We technically had 2 plays if you pass. Only 1 play if you run. If the INT never happens, there is 2-3 seconds STOPPED for the Field goal unit to go.
 
#78
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GAVol said:
Yep… It wasn’t the play call. It was throwing slightly late, and floating it behind the receiver.
That throw has to be out front or in the stands. Probably got affected by the pass rush getting into his throwing lane a little.
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I actually think Joey threw it too early. In a normal situation, he wouldn't had gone so fast on the play-action part and throw. It felt like he didn't even look first.
 
#81
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B81 said:
That is not the only pass we have called out of a heavy set. I bet we have 10-12 pass plays we could have ran out of that set.
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It's not the set. It's more about what has been called on goal line ,4th down-short situations. Majority of our pass plays are not meant to be quick throws. This play had to be specifically within certain scenarios.. Each opponent had stats are what plays have been called in certain situations. Pretty sure Bama called time out after we showed the SET. Then Bama figures out which 1-2 plays are most likely. If we changed our set or did something different.. Like maybe moved Joey as if Bishop goes wildcat... it would confuse Bama defenders just enough to forget what to do.
 
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Dougie_D said:
It's not the set. It's more about what has been called on goal line ,4th down-short situations. Majority of our pass plays are not meant to be quick throws. This play had to be specifically within certain scenarios.. Each opponent had stats are what plays have been called in certain situations. Pretty sure Bama called time out after we showed the SET. Then Bama figures out which 1-2 plays are most likely. If we changed our set or did something different.. Like maybe moved Joey as if Bishop goes wildcat... it would confuse Bama defenders just enough to forget what to do.
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Yet the play was open. That negates everything else you’ve said. It negates your entire argument.
 
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Ned Ray McWorkher said:
If. If. If. If. If. If. If is real iffy. It usually means that you did something wrong and you're lamenting your mistakes. "If I had only done this or that". The winner never utters that term. Not ever.
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That's exactly right. The non winner in this situation was the QB. He threw a bad ball.
That's the answer. Sucks it's that simple but that's it. Bad throw. Happens. It just happened at the worst time possible
 
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Dougie_D said:
I understand why we would call it in any other situation. My guess is that we have 3 “money plays” at the goal line.
But my question is why the play action play? We should’ve been creative and at least made the RB move or something? I can’t get that play out of my head . Everyone knew it was a pass. The play action was stupid
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We would have been better off just kicking a FG. That would have been a 10 point swing in our favor.

I like Josh - a lot - but he seems to try too much cute stuff in critical situations.
 
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#87
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Dougie_D said:
If he was open the ball would’ve hit the ground.
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That’s not how that works at all. He was very open. The ball was thrown behind him. Just like an under thrown go route even if open can end up intercepted

Frame 1 intended receiver has probably 2 yards of separation.

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Frame 2 you see the same receiver with his hands and body turned back inside and the DB catching the ball that’s thrown to the inside of the intended receiver

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jeffreync said:
Sigh, it's definitely a terrible call. Again, go watch . Tell me they weren't absolutely all over it. It's a play action pass with 2 options, both were blanketed. If he would have executed better then, yeah we would have avoided a pick six. That doesn't change the fact that the play call was awful. IF THE DEFENSE CALLS THE PERFECT PLAY AGAINST YOUR OFFENSIVE CALL then it was probably a bad call. They were running a goal line/ man flats zone play, a call hedging on them passing.
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Yes. It looked like the coaches had told the defender what play from coming.

And, he simply jumped the route.

If anything, he was baiting Joey into throwing it.

Watch close. On snap, he immediately starts drifting out to his left to jump. No hesitation at all to offer run support.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not how that works at all. He was very open. The ball was thrown behind him. Just like an under thrown go route even if open can end up intercepted

Frame 1 intended receiver has probably 2 yards of separation.

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Frame 2 you see the same receiver with his hands and body turned back inside and the DB catching the ball that’s thrown to the inside of the intended receiver

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Looks to me that the outside throwing lane is being obstructed by our OL and their DL.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not how that works at all. He was very open. The ball was thrown behind him. Just like an under thrown go route even if open can end up intercepted

Frame 1 intended receiver has probably 2 yards of separation.

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Frame 2 you see the same receiver with his hands and body turned back inside and the DB catching the ball that’s thrown to the inside of the intended receiver

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Now show the slide when Joey has hit his drop and ready to throw. People sayin Kit and the throw were open are wrong and 87 looking at the db when JA is ready to release, so I ask open for whom? Open if the DL is cut and out of the lane but if a qb has to throw it thru a DL helmet to get the ball to a spot, it doesn’t matter if the wr is “open”.
JA hitched because the defender was in his sight and passing lane then left his feet trying to loft it over. The debate over “open receiver” should include defenders between the qb and wr, and there is one.
We also have 7 blocking 4 on the backside and outnumbered on the side of the play.
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Skooter said:
Now show the slide when Joey has hit his drop and ready to throw. People sayin Kit and the throw were open are wrong and 87 looking at the db when JA is ready to release, so I ask open for whom? Open if the DL is cut and out of the lane but if a qb has to throw it thru a DL helmet to get the ball to a spot, it doesn’t matter if the wr is “open”.
JA hitched because the defender was in his sight and passing lane then left his feet trying to loft it over. The debate over “open receiver” should include defenders between the qb and wr, and there is one.
We also have 7 blocking 4 on the backside and outnumbered on the side of the play.
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But still, the WR is open. It’s the QBs job to navigate the pocket and throw an accurate pass. If he steps up, he has a window. Or could always launch it out of bounds if he can’t find a window
 
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Vol8188 said:
But still, the WR is open. It’s the QBs job to navigate the pocket and throw an accurate pass. If he steps up, he has a window. Or could always launch it out of bounds if he can’t find a window
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Launching out of bounds ideally instead of hitching and trying to loft. If he steps up and takes a sack from a closing defender the half is over or if he scrambles and could be the last play
I will agree to disagree on the concept of an open receiver. It’s a PA 3 step drop and ball to come out on drop. In theory, yes, open, but if there’s not a throwing lane is a receiver really open. Maybe it’s a philosophical question. Like if a player runs a 8 yard curl in the endzone to beat his man but a defender is 4 yards away standing in the throwing lane, is he really open..
 
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#95
The thread that won't die, amazing how the same info is being regurgitated over and over as if it were different info. And yes I realize I am contributing to keeping it alive with this post, why not.
 
#96
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Skooter said:
Launching out of bounds ideally instead of hitching and trying to loft. If he steps up and takes a sack from a closing defender the half is over or if he scrambles and could be the last play
I will agree to disagree on the concept of an open receiver. It’s a PA 3 step drop and ball to come out on drop. In theory, yes, open, but if there’s not a throwing lane is a receiver really open. Maybe it’s a philosophical question. Like if a player runs a 8 yard curl in the endzone to beat his man but a defender is 4 yards away standing in the throwing lane, is he really open..
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The route was open. That’s not theoretical. You can state he couldn’t throw it due to the rush, but that’s a different question. The route itself was open.

The guy in the throwing lane is an edge rusher. Not anyone playing coverage.

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#98
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Skooter said:
open wr looking at the db with no passing lane when JA is ready to throw..what does it matter.
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No passing lane is a different issue is why it matters. It’s the QBs job to navigate the pocket and find a passing lane. He has room to step up.

But you were proclaiming he’s covered. He’s obviously not.

Probably 50% of passing plays QBs have to move within the pocket to find a lane. So I don’t understand your hyper focus on that issue here.

Open WR. Bad throw. That’s on the QB.
 
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I'm sure it goes back to the 1950's, but Deion Sanders is the first I recall making that move famous.

The DB just lays off a hair to make QB think he is flashing open. Then jump the route.

The best free safeties do it all the time.

One of Deon Grant's signature moves.

Must be quick and confident,

Post time-out, just change to another formation/play. Like the 2-point attempt. No discussion/thread of any significance on that one.

But, yes...a higher end QB throws a heater outside far enough to where it probably goes incomplete, or TE makes a diving grab.
 
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