Why couldn't Tubs been available two months ago?...

#78
#78
Of course, Stoops would never leave what he's built in Oklahoma and eventually, Meyer will be a good Catholic boy and leave the SEC alone.

I like our guy's chances.
 
#79
#79
utmba93 said:
Of course, Stoops would never leave what he's built in Oklahoma and eventually, Meyer will be a good Catholic boy and leave the SEC alone.

I like our guy's chances.
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For some reason I got cold feet on Kelly. In the end Davis and Gruden were the only two that I could legitmately put in front of Lane.
 
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#80
Lexvol said:
For some reason I got cold feet on Kelly. In the end Davis and Gruden were the only two that I could legitmately put in front of Lane.
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I totally agree. My view was take any of those three (Gruden/Davis/Kiffin), but don't wait on any one of them if one of the others was ready and willing to embrace the challenge.

Of course, it's his job and not mine, but I think Hammy played this perfectly.
 
#81
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utmba93 said:
I totally agree. My view was take any of those three (Gruden/Davis/Kiffin), but don't wait on any one of them if one of the others was ready and willing to embrace the challenge.

Of course, it's his job and not mine, but I think Hammy played this perfectly.
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My only question would be, if we could have gotten BD or Gruden, there is no way we get the staff we are fixing to get. As a whole I think we end up better. Everyone has put ALL the emphasis on Lane, but he won't coach this team alone. Neither would BD, or Gruden.
 
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#82
BeecherVol said:
My only question would be, if we could have gotten BD or Gruden, there is no way we get the staff we are fixing to get. As a whole I think we end up better. Everyone has put ALL the emphasis on Lane, but he won't coach this team alone. Neither would BD, or Gruden.
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That's most likely true, but they would have put together decent staffs and could have been successful at UT as well. It would have been more $ to the HC and thus less for the staff. And, neither one has a father who is one of the best DC's in the world willing to work for half price.

Monte should be getting some credit for donating the difference in his market value and what he's willing to work for at UT. That's a big number, but in real $ that's what he's giving to UT. Of course, make no mistake about it, his generosity is really to helping his son overcome the screw job Al Davis put on him at Oakland.

In general, however, I don't like hiring a guy who doesn't want the job. Kiffin's passion to succeed is unparalleled by what either would have brought to UT.
 
#83
#83
utmba93 said:
That's most likely true, but they would have put together decent staffs and could have been successful at UT as well. It would have been more $ to the HC and thus less for the staff. And, neither one has a father who is one of the best DC's in the world willing to work for half price.

Monte should be getting some credit for donating the difference in his market value and what he's willing to work for at UT. That's a big number, but in real $ that's what he's giving to UT. Of course, make no mistake about it, his generosity is really to helping his son overcome the screw job Al Davis put on him at Oakland.

In general, however, I don't like hiring a guy who doesn't want the job. Kiffin's passion to succeed is unparalleled by what either would have brought to UT.
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This is true.
But do you think we would have had the $ after a 4 to 5 mil. deal with BD and Gruden and have enough to pay for the staff we will get with Lane?
If not we are better off with Lane, and staff.
 
#84
#84
jbakes said:
are being more risky with at least the potential of greater rewards (JMO of course).
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That's how I feel. Makes me think of a quote from Rounders...

"You can't lose what you don't put in the middle, but then again you can't win much either."

We aren't going to compete in the current SEC landscape with a coach like Tuberville in my opinion.
 
#85
#85
utmba93 said:
That's most likely true, but they would have put together decent staffs and could have been successful at UT as well. It would have been more $ to the HC and thus less for the staff. And, neither one has a father who is one of the best DC's in the world willing to work for half price.

Monte should be getting some credit for donating the difference in his market value and what he's willing to work for at UT. That's a big number, but in real $ that's what he's giving to UT. Of course, make no mistake about it, his generosity is really to helping his son overcome the screw job Al Davis put on him at Oakland.

In general, however, I don't like hiring a guy who doesn't want the job. Kiffin's passion to succeed is unparalleled by what either would have brought to UT.
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And there you go. Passion.

Talent abounds in the NCAA coaching ranks. Meyer has it. Saban has it. Carroll has it. Brown has it. Etc, etc, etc.

The difference is "passion".

Lane Kiffin appears to have it. That puts him in rare company.

Give the man a chance to prove his passion.

Go Vols.
 
#86
#86
jsc1973 said:
Leaving aside the fact that USC was playing with an ineligible player and should be forfeited to 0-13 for that season, they were not the super team that everyone seems to credit them with now.

The '04 Trojans barely pulled out the win in three regular-season games, two of them against teams with .500 or worse records, and with the help of questionable officiating at least once. The only game all year Auburn really struggled in was against a very good LSU team, winning 10-9.

I believe there was some questionable officiating in that game. And didn't Auburn need a missed extra point to win? I believe they also got two chances to kick an extra point of their own. Pretty huge in a 1 point game. Also, the Virginia Tech game was within a field goal.

USC played great at the Orange Bowl, but Oklahoma spit the bit as soon as things got rough, the same way they did the year before against Kansas State. The Sooners had a lot of talent, but they had about as much heart as the Grinch or the Tin Man.

The Sooners had heart, they were just tremendously outclassed. The massive choke against K-State had a whole lot to do with their offense relying completely on Jason White, who broke his hand in the Big 12 Championship.

If you remember anything about Auburn that year, you know d@mn well they would not have quit if faced with adversity, even against USC. They might have had to play their best game of the year to beat USC, but they would have done just fine against them.

They didn't do just fine against them the year before. Evidently in spite of their refusal to quit they still couldn't muster a single score.

And in any case, I find it quite silly for anyone to make an argument that a team which goes 13-0 in the SEC doesn't deserve at least a co-national championship.
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Auburn wasn't a superteam by any means and 2004 was the worst year of this decade for the SEC. It would have been nice to see Auburn play against USC, but if they played like they did in their final 3 games of 2004, they would have been slaughtered.
 
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#87
kptvol said:
Auburn wasn't a superteam by any means and 2004 was the worst year of this decade for the SEC. It would have been nice to see Auburn play against USC, but if they played like they did in their final 3 games of 2004, they would have been slaughtered.
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Yes, there are alot that would argue that Auburn got the best of it in 2004 because they really weren't that good and would've gotten slaughtered in the championship game. As good as I think Auburn was that year, I personally think that USC team was one of the best in college football history.
 
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#90
3L with debt said:
I know this is off-topic (the thread should die by now anyway) but I think the NCAA needs to reinstate football dorms. We didn't read near as much about all this off field crap back then. Personally, I don't hold a coach responsible for nearly a hundered 18-22 year olds running loose in a college town. Things are bound to happen.
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You have to have a certain GPA, I believe 2.5 to move out of Gibbs
 
#91
#91
Tubs wasnt available (not that UT would have hired him) for a reason. Auburn didn't want UT to hire him.
 
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#93
GreyWolf1129 said:
And there you go. Passion.

Talent abounds in the NCAA coaching ranks. Meyer has it. Saban has it. Carroll has it. Brown has it. Etc, etc, etc.

The difference is "passion".

Lane Kiffin appears to have it. That puts him in rare company.

Give the man a chance to prove his passion.

Go Vols.
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:snoring:
 
#98
#98
I would not be surprised if in the next couple of years we don't see the same thing in Athens. IMO. Great coach, great recruiter, but not very much to show for it.
 
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