Why Bray should play over Simms

#51
#51
Coastypop said:
I think you are right "Justin Worley"... :rock:
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Whether it is Worley or Bray, the key is competition. We need competition in the Spring, competition in the Summe and even up to the first game. When you have 3-4 true potential starters on the roster, that means soemthing about the guy who wins the job. That is another area where our lack of depth killed us over the past 9 months.
 
#52
#52
Neyland Law Vol said:
FAIL. Start playing for future seasons rather than this season is the quickest way to the seniors giving up and quiting on this staff. NOT SMART.

SIMMS should be the starter, period.
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How many seniors on this team really matter? All our best players are underclassmen.
 
#53
#53
YorkVol said:
Whether it is Worley or Bray, the key is competition. We need competition in the Spring, competition in the Summe and even up to the first game. When you have 3-4 true potential starters on the roster, that means soemthing about the guy who wins the job. That is another area where our lack of depth killed us over the past 9 months.
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Well said... agreed, agreed, agreed!
 
#54
#54
Cartervol said:
The backup qb is always the most popular guy on a losing, struggling team. If Bray was ready he'd be playing more, it's that simple.
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Thank you. Please stop looking to replace Simms. We need to stop screwing with what little rhythm our offense is able to generate.

I can't believe after what we saw vs. AL that people still think replacing Simms is a good idea.

What we need first is someone to make sure 11 men line up on Defense at all times, and then go from there.
 
#55
#55
wittenvols said:
Don't claim to be a professional, but here is my observation/opinion...

Simms has the better command of the huddle and administration of the offense, but he holds on to the ball to long, instead hitting his back foot on his drops and throwing the ball he stutters and this allows the defenders a better chance at defending the ball... his accuracy his also spotty at best.

Bray on the other hand is the exact opposite of Simms, what he lacks in game administration he makes up for in accuracy and most importantly in my book he hits his back foot and gets rid of the ball when its there. He better antcipates the routes giving the receivers a better play on the ball.

So I believe you roll the dice on Bray expecting his weakness to improve whereas Simms weakness are what thy are
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Two reasons I disagree. 1) Remember that Simms, like Bray is playing his first year in this offense and in the SEC. I think his immediate upside is still higher. 2) We still have a shot at bowl eligibility. I don't care which bowl or whether we win or lose. But Lord knows we need the extra practice days that come with a bowl. Simms gives us the best shot at making a bowl.
 
#56
#56
We wasted a drive early in the 2nd qtr when we were still in the game by putting bray in. 3 consecutive flags & 0-2 passing. We have had quite a few freshman qbs play at UT in recent years & all looked better than Bray has.
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#58
#58
Sorry I think I missed something, not giving up on this season??? Has Simms looked that good? Develop bray??? that went out the window when they did not redshirt him. Bowl game??? that is a laugh we have to beat SC or Kentucky, assuming we beat memphis, vandy, and Ole miss. We barely beat UAB!!! Seniors know this is a lost season. I know that backup is always the most popular player on the team, but it is time to look to the future. Let bray learn.
 
#59
#59
PREDICTION: Make a note of this for future reference. If Tyler Bray gets to start next year, there will be a metric ton of threads calling for whoever the #2 is to take over.
 
#60
#60
"Why Bray should play over Simms"

You can't be serious, if you are you certainly didn't pay attention to the 2 possessions in the first half with Bray as the QB.

One of the many problems we have is inexperience. We can't get 11 people on the field let alone expect our team to figure out 2 different styles of quarterbacks and different plays more suited to either one. What those 2 possessions showed without a doubt is we have to pick one or the other quarterbacks as the rest of the team can't manage to get set in their places changing from one set of plays to another. The KISS principal definitely applies to this team.
 
#61
#61
I think letting Bray get a majority of the snaps vs Memphis would be good. Memphis should not cause a lot, if any problems for the offense. He needs some ample playing time and I think this is a good game to get that in.
 
#62
#62
Smokey901 said:
I think letting Bray get a majority of the snaps vs Memphis would be good. Memphis should not cause a lot, if any problems for the offense. He needs some ample playing time and I think this is a good game to get that in.
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+1

Still...I believe that Bray>Simms, maybe not at this moment. Bray needs to get more snaps going forward for sure...
 
#65
#65
marevul mafia said:
Yep, there were lots of people that wanted Brandon Stewart to start because he was more mobile.
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Very true. Few on here remember that it took most of their Freshman year to pick between the 2. Brandon Stewart was very much a better athlete, Peyton had a better grasp of how to run the game.
 
#66
#66
KYSkipper said:
Very true. Few on here remember that it took most of their Freshman year to pick between the 2. Brandon Stewart was very much a better athlete, Peyton had a better grasp of how to run the game.
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I'm not saying people won't be calling for Worley next year, but I think there is different reasoning behind this QB competition. Worley will have had no experience in our system; whereas, Bray and Simms have been in the system for the same amount of time. Simms' "experience edge" comes in the form of 2 games at Louisville and a 17TD/12INT JUCO season.

Our offensive production is at the bottom of the SEC. While I admire Simms for his toughness, I don't think we owe him anything. In my opinion he has not done enough to guarantee a starting position (neither has Bray at this point). The difference is Simms got a real shot to lead this team, and now Bray is getting his.

Before when people said Bray should get more pt, everyone pulled the "coaches know better than you" card and called everyone an armchair qb. Now that the coaches are giving Bray a shot, those same people are disregarding their previous point. I see a double standard here.

Honestly speaking, if you look at Bray this season and Simms this season, I think they look about even. We could argue the day away about which one is better, but the truth his they each do some things well and some things poorly. We have a lot more evidence to make a fair assessment of Simms. There is still a lot to learn about Bray.
 
#67
#67
PeytonBerry said:
Honestly speaking, if you look at Bray this season and Simms this season, I think they look about even. We could argue the day away about which one is better, but the truth his they each do some things well and some things poorly. We have a lot more evidence to make a fair assessment of Simms. There is still a lot to learn about Bray.
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I'll get killed for this but if you're giving the true freshman some playing time, why not some Nance from a wildcat spread.
The guy runs like a back and can throw the dinks and dunks that Simms misses repeatedly.
 
#68
#68
PeytonBerry said:
Bray and Simms have been in the system for the same amount of time. Simms' "experience edge" comes in the form of 2 games at Louisville and a 17TD/12INT JUCO season.
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The big difference between the Bray and Simms competition v's the Manning is the rest of the team. There's no doubt in my mind that if Heath Shular had stayed another year with the team we had Peyton's freshman year we'd have won a national championship. We had the O-line, running backs 3 deep, receivers out the kazoo, and a darn good defense. Simms or Bray either one would have looked good with that team and that team had the skill and experience to change quarterbacks like we did choosing between Manning and Stewart.

Today, Our entire team is as inexperienced as either Bray or Simms coupled with the fact that they aren't equal athletes to our competition. Bama outweighed us almost 30 pounds a man and was likely 3 or 4 tenths of a second quicker per man. I would venture the opinion that with this team, Peyton Manning would look about like Simms.

Going between Manning and Stewart was kinda similar to what we are looking at with Simms and Bray. Manning was a drop back NFL type quarterback. Stewart was more similar to Heath Shular, the option suited his ability better being he was a better athlete than Peyton. The plays called for the 2 quarterbacks were different. The same with Bray and Simms. The problem is the rest of our team can't run 1 simple set of plays for having 10 to 15 men on the field without making it more complicated. Substituting quarterbacks at this point produces what we saw in the 1st half, 4 downs and 4 straight penalties because players didn't know what they were supposed to be doing.

The reason most 2 quarterback systems fail is the inability of the team and coaching staff to adjust from one style to the other. If both quarterbacks are the same, why change? the reason to change is they have different styles fitting different situations. It's like choosing a casting rod v's a spinning rod.

We need to pick one or the other and stick with him barring injury. Simms was chosen and he is among the least of our problems.
 
#69
#69
Bray needs to develop some more QB intangibles. Simms has him beat in leadership, organization and being a vocal leader. Aka he needs to develop a little cockiness or confidence.
 
#70
#70
Midfielder10 said:
Bray needs to develop some more QB intangibles. Simms has him beat in leadership, organization and being a vocal leader. Aka he needs to develop a little cockiness or confidence.
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He doesn't seem to possess the mental toughness needed to play the position.
Guys like Clausen and Ainge both had it as freshmen.
Bray really looked out of place against Bama.
I had high hopes, but now serious doubts.
 
#71
#71
wittenvols said:
Don't claim to be a professional, but here is my observation/opinion...

Simms has the better command of the huddle and administration of the offense, but he holds on to the ball to long, instead hitting his back foot on his drops and throwing the ball he stutters and this allows the defenders a better chance at defending the ball... his accuracy his also spotty at best.

Bray on the other hand is the exact opposite of Simms, what he lacks in game administration he makes up for in accuracy and most importantly in my book he hits his back foot and gets rid of the ball when its there. He better antcipates the routes giving the receivers a better play on the ball.

So I believe you roll the dice on Bray expecting his weakness to improve whereas Simms weakness are what thy are
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I think Tyler will be farther along than Matt his jr. year. Do not play Bray now b/c of our O line. No UT qb has taken more punishment than Matt Simms has so far, not all due to holding the ball....due to the o-line not being able to hold bocks.

I think if Bray would have played as many snaps as Simms, he would be out for the season due to injury...JMO
 
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#72
#72
DRMANN said:
I think Tyler will be farther along than Matt his jr. year. Do not play Bray now b/c of our O line. No UT qb has taken more punishment than Matt Simms has so far, not all due to holding the ball....due to the o-line not being able to hold bocks.

I think if Bray would have played as many snaps as Simms, he would be out for the season due to injury...JMO
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...but mainly due to holding the ball
 
#73
#73
Midfielder10 said:
Bray needs to develop some more QB intangibles. Simms has him beat in leadership, organization and being a vocal leader. Aka he needs to develop a little cockiness or confidence.
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I agree, and I think he will get there. But I think game experience is what he needs. There's a lot he needs to get figured out in this area that I don't necessarily think will come until he gets out there in games and works it out. I say we let him get all of that stuff like those multiple false start/illegal formation penalties out of his system now.
 
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