why are vols fans acting this way?

[hmanvolfan]

I hereby will refer to threads like this that spring up every day Ground Hog Day threads. Thanks for the effort.

 

[sjt18]

omg ... what teams have have Beaten us with Better Coaches?...write those coaches names down. Then study those names . I would Like to think we have a coach as good as those if not better. Thats All ...I don't wanta go backwards in coaching if we are really going backwards in Talent like you all are saying!.. Hell I hate loosing but if I blame it all on the players Like you all are doing. Would that make it better?

What on earth makes you think you have to blame anyone who is currently on the team or staff? The problems that they collectively inherited stem all the way back to Randy Sanders and Fulmer's refusal to hold him and Chavis accountable. Kiffin's short, tumultuous tenure hurt even more.

Fulmer left many problems because of ineffective recruiting and player development both on and off the field. Kiffin came in a made it worse by running guys off that could be contributing now. Some definitely needed to go but there was collateral damage too: Coleman, Creer, Sawtelle, Bailey, etc.

 

[gasguy98]

Because we are not showing any improvement even with so many young players on the field. We still have the same stupid mistakes and our defense is terrible. We have played a tough schedule but games are 60 minutes long not 30 minutes.

I think there was a lot of improvement in the SC game. For the most part the 2 teams look evenly matched. Turnovers are what did us in. One can't expect to turn the ball over like we did and win.

 

[VolFootballlover]

well... i guess we should all sit on our hands and tell other fans we expect to loose and all this poor pityful me stuff. This thread was started asking why us fans where acting like we should win 10 games this season . Honestly what kinda program would we be if expected to loose . I just can't blame the players as they have seen and done more football than I ever will. But I can Blame the coaches . Until we win games It's on the coaches. allways has been and allways will be! Thats why they make the big bucks. Hell Pay me Millions and I'll take the heat,lol

 

[VolFootballlover]

Thanks Guys.. I'm glad we got all this worked out tonight! I allready feel better about our team

 

[sjt18]

I'm sure your lucky lady will Love That! But I can promise You this.. if we knew we didn't have Talent, and we needed to recruit top notch players to compete. You think we should maybe ...I don't know go hire a guy at say Louisiana Tech that seemed to play about middle of the pack there and Hope that he learned how to be a stud coach at UT. While bringing in top Talent at the same time. ... Now don't give the first recruiting class to Dooley as many of the left over Coahes where still recruiting there tails off while Mike Was working on Dooleys Contract!

Dooley was not number 1 on the list.

IMHO, it was never about the money. I believe other coaches passed because they saw it as a very high risk career move... the kind of move that could permanently black ball you for HC jobs.

You have to take DD's whole career into perspective if you are going to pull La Tech into it. When you do that, you can't ignore that Saban speaks very highly of Dooley's ability to evaluate recruits' talent.

I have argued very consistently on the "stars" issue that someone will break the code. Someone will figure out a method for finding the great talents that Rivals and the "big name schools" miss.

VT has a long term knack for doing it. Auburn under Tuberville did it. TCU is doing it. Wisconsin has been very successful doing it. Nebraska did and is again.

Oregon beat USC at USC this past weekend. Since 2006, USC has ranked 1, 2, 8, 4, and 1 according to Rivals. The Ducks: 49, 11, 19, 32, and 13. According to the star system, any coach should have been able to take USC's roster and thump Oregon... but USC doesn't just have any staff. They have a legendary DC and an OC good enough to average 37 ppg this year. It should have been a talent mismatch of epic proportions... and was... in favor with the team with all the 2 and 3 star players.


I will admit that I don't know how good the guys DD's recruits/commits are. I admit that there is some comfort and pride when you get highly rated guys. But I won't close the book or declare him a success until I see the finished product.

 

[sjt18]

Honestly what kinda program would we be if expected to loose .

It isn't about expectations. It is about the current reality. DD and this team were left in a deep hole dug by Fulmer and Kiffin.

I just can't blame the players as they have seen and done more football than I ever will.

But you can blame the coaches who have seen, done, played, and coached more football than you ever have or will?

But I can Blame the coaches . Until we win games It's on the coaches. allways has been and allways will be! Thats why they make the big bucks. Hell Pay me Millions and I'll take the heat,lol

That's a pretty lame cop out. It is on "the coaches" but not these "coaches" until they've had a real chance to turn it around. They inherited an absolute mess. It isn't their fault. It isn't the current players' fault.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Based on what I read on this forum, there appears to be a lot of folks who want the Vols to fail this year. Some may be trolls from other schools, but I also suspect they want CDD to fail because they weren't happy with the hire.
I was real careful not to use the words "Vol fan" in my post.

This is the heart of the problem with some on this board.

 

[volroadwarrior]

well... i guess we should all sit on our hands and tell other fans we expect to loose and all this poor pityful me stuff. This thread was started asking why us fans where acting like we should win 10 games this season . Honestly what kinda program would we be if expected to loose . I just can't blame the players as they have seen and done more football than I ever will. But I can Blame the coaches . Until we win games It's on the coaches. allways has been and allways will be! Thats why they make the big bucks. Hell Pay me Millions and I'll take the heat,lol

There you go.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Because we are not showing any improvement even with so many young players on the field. We still have the same stupid mistakes and our defense is terrible. We have played a tough schedule but games are 60 minutes long not 30 minutes.

These geniuses are all over the place. I won't show any more. They will be happy when we fire Dooley and start all over again. Maybe we can get Brian Kelly, Muschamp, or some other coach who has more talent, but can't get the job done.

 

[LIFE TIME VOL]

Because we are not showing any improvement even with so many young players on the field. We still have the same stupid mistakes and our defense is terrible. We have played a tough schedule but games are 60 minutes long not 30 minutes.

Did you just get in town? To say that the team has not improved is ignorant of football knowledge.

 

[vader]

Is it ignorance or apathy?

I don't know and I don't care.

 

[UNAVol89]

We're fans of a winning program. We're not used to seeing them lose 6-7 times a year.

 

[VolFootballlover]

It isn't about expectations. It is about the current reality. DD and this team were left in a deep hole dug by Fulmer and Kiffin. But you can blame the coaches who have seen, done, played, and coached more football than you ever have or will?

That's a pretty lame cop out. It is on "the coaches" but not these "coaches" until they've had a real chance to turn it around. They inherited an absolute mess. It isn't their fault. It isn't the current players' fault.

ok..we have zero expectations..why? because you said so! .
DD and any other coach in the nation starting a new job are in a hole! allthough Kiffen really hurt our programs stability.
Are the coaches not paid ..or did DD not say today he was responsible for the teams Wins/Loses and Player evaluations? Pretty lame cop out huu...
Just keep on keeping on. as Fans we can expect to win and those like you that are happy with loosing can cheer for Vandy on the side!.. I will cheer for the Vols and expect to win and when we don't because we played great and had a great game plan..I'll cheer even louder the next week. But the same ole same ole getting blown out I'll never be ok with!.. you know sometimes the best team doesn't allways win. and there is allways gona be a looser but when we keep playing poor ball I see Kentucky,Vandy and Ole miss beating us!

 

[volconomist]

ok..we have zero expectations..why? because you said so! .
DD and any other coach in the nation starting a new job are in a hole! allthough Kiffen really hurt our programs stability.
Are the coaches not paid ..or did DD not say today he was responsible for the teams Wins/Loses and Player evaluations? Pretty lame cop out huu...
Just keep on keeping on. as Fans we can expect to win and those like you that are happy with loosing can cheer for Vandy on the side!.. I will cheer for the Vols and expect to win and when we don't because we played great and had a great game plan..I'll cheer even louder the next week. But the same ole same ole getting blown out I'll never be ok with!.. you know sometimes the best team doesn't allways win. and there is allways gona be a looser but when we keep playing poor ball I see Kentucky,Vandy and Ole miss beating us!

I'm still waiting for your opinion on who we should have hired instead of Dooley, since he isn't the right guy. I doubt you'll answer, as this is the third time I requested your opinion, but in case you do, please tell what you think the record would be with said person, and why?

 

[VolsR#1n98]

ok..we have zero expectations..why? because you said so! .
DD and any other coach in the nation starting a new job are in a hole! allthough Kiffen really hurt our programs stability.
Are the coaches not paid ..or did DD not say today he was responsible for the teams Wins/Loses and Player evaluations? Pretty lame cop out huu...
Just keep on keeping on. as Fans we can expect to win and those like you that are happy with loosing can cheer for Vandy on the side!.. I will cheer for the Vols and expect to win and when we don't because we played great and had a great game plan..I'll cheer even louder the next week. But the same ole same ole getting blown out I'll never be ok with!.. you know sometimes the best team doesn't allways win. and there is allways gona be a looser but when we keep playing poor ball I see Kentucky,Vandy and Ole miss beating us!

Wow...I don't know where to start. I've read this whole thread and your comments are unbelievable. CDD and his staff are not magicians. You can't come in and transform these 65 average at best players into all SEC players in 10 months. GIVE HIM TIME AND HE WILL PROVE HIMSELF. I've seen improvement. We actually had a -3 turnover margin on the road against a top 20 SEC team, huge talent disadvantage and we were TIED with less than 10 minutes to go. These young guys still need to learn how to finish, but what coach out there alive or dead has/had the ability to magically make this team hum? Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment. Hang on, next year will have it's challenges as well, but you will see major improvement in how well they compete. Usually you will see the biggest jump in performance in year 2.

 

[VolFootballlover]

I'm still waiting for your opinion on who we should have hired instead of Dooley, since he isn't the right guy. I doubt you'll answer, as this is the third time I requested your opinion, but in case you do, please tell what you think the record would be with said person, and why?

Maybe you should Understand what this thread is about first." Why are Vol fans acting This way? " Then understand I just gave my opinion. I'm not a pro at evaluating like you I just gave my thoughts on what I saw. Just like so many others .If your not drinking the Kool aid you better not post. I knew better to give my thoughts why I thought Vol Fans where upset about getting blown out of games. ..Players Or Coaches. Most of you Blame the Players ,Lack Of Depth and Skill . I just can't make my self Blame these kids after what they have been through But I promise I would Love to see Dooley be the best coach in the SEC! I hope we can just learn to count to 11 and put the best players on the field and make needed adjustments during games..thats all

 

[SGMVols]

TN will finish 7th or 8th this year in recruiting.

In the SEC?
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[WesternKyVol]

It's not the # of losses, it's the magnitude/style of the losses that has been ruffling feathers, mine included. I for one never expected to beat Georgia but a 30 point shellacking is a bit much.

 

[sjt18]

ok..we have zero expectations..why? because you said so! .

Good grief... are you purposefully distorting statements or is your reading comprehension really that bad? Read it again. I said that THIS was not about expectations... not that we should not have expectations. But expectations must ALWAYS be aligned with reality.

If I asked you to pack your own parachute, fly a plane to Nevada, find a particular jump zone, and make a HALO jump... you more than likely could not do it. That does not mean you could not do it once you had the training and resources.

You expect DD to win NOW without the personnel and player development to do so. I expect to win... and soon. He has to find talent, coach it up, and get UT back to competing for the East by 12 IMO or else you might as well cut your losses.

DD and any other coach in the nation starting a new job are in a hole! allthough Kiffen really hurt our programs stability.

That isn't true and to the degree that it is true of many... not all holes are equally deep. Meyer, Miles, Richt, etc inherited teams loaded with talent. Others inherited teams with less talent but at least a full roster of scholarship players and a few upper classmen with skills.

Again, I challenge you to find any coach who took over a program with problems as big as Dooley inherited.

Are the coaches not paid ..or did DD not say today he was responsible for the teams Wins/Loses and Player evaluations? Pretty lame cop out huu...

So if I pay you to be a plant manager of a plant that builds computers where half the employees are brand new and you have a labor shortage of about 20%... and many of your senior employees aren't very good then you should be able to hit optimum output immediately, right? You are getting paid to do it... therefore the expectations should be there NOW.

Just keep on keeping on. as Fans we can expect to win and those like you that are happy with loosing can cheer for Vandy on the side!..

That is one of the more ignorant things posted here in awhile. Only a few people here have said they expect anything less than championships. I am sorry but it is just plain stupid to make the argument that Dooley is to "blame" because this team didn't win one.

But the same ole same ole getting blown out I'll never be ok with!..

Who will? I am not arguing you should be satisfied... I am arguing that you are very foolishly blaming the wrong guy. If the same is happening in 3 years then blame Dooley. He will have created his own problems rather than inheriting someone else's.

you know sometimes the best team doesn't allways win. and there is allways gona be a looser but when we keep playing poor ball I see Kentucky,Vandy and Ole miss beating us!

I am really, really trying with you. Honestly I am... but do you know the first thing about football or team dynamics in general?

 

[VolHottie]

I dont see how people don't see weekly improvements. Yes there are going to be some silly mistakes but that is going to come with being young. You HAVE to understand that. We went from a tight game with UAB after playing a Top 10 Florida team extremely well to almost beating another Top 10 team in LSU. I really think that let down carried over to Georgia and we got whooped. That happens a lot though. Carry overs can happen to the best of teams, just ask Alabama after the Florida game. Speaking of which, we get trounced by Bama at home only to go to South Carolina, the same field they lost on and play that team to the final whistle. We took the #1 team for a good 35 minutes. Sure they still blew us out of the water but still we showed with depth and time we can compete with the best. Any Vol fan that doesnt feel or see the positive in all of this negative needs to just go ahead and start jumping off the bandwagon. Im sure we'll let you back on with open arms when we're winning again.

 

[RockyTop10]

A few things here.

1. For anyone confusing being happy with losing and expecting losses, your delusional. We all want the Vols to win every game, but if you came into this season expecting 14-0 and a NC then you are completely crazy. We all knew it would be a tough year, whether you want to admit it or not.

2. Coaches can't turn a program around in 10 months. Dooley has to have time to get the right players for his system.

3. Have you paid attention to the games at all? Apart from the Georgia game we have been in the games until halftime.
-The reason our second halves have been bad this year isn't because of coaching. It's because our opponents have full rosters and can keep running fresh players in there and we can't. Football players get tired. It's part of the game.

4. WE ARE IMPROVING AND THE COACHES ARE MAKING CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE TEAM.
-Bray made 2 plays against SC that are better than anything Simms has done all year.
-One of our best play makers will be returning punts this week. This should take away from our ST turnover problems.

5. Give the man some time. CDD is doing a great job in my opinion. There is no one to blame from the current UT football team. The blame goes on Fulmer and Kiffin and the situation we are left with. Give Dooley time to make his own situation out of it.
-We don't know if it will good in 2 years or just as bad as it is now, but wait until the time comes to show judgement.

GBO!

 

[VolFootballlover]

Good grief... are you purposefully distorting statements or is your reading comprehension really that bad? Read it again. I said that THIS was not about expectations... not that we should not have expectations. But expectations must ALWAYS be aligned with reality.

If I asked you to pack your own parachute, fly a plane to Nevada, find a particular jump zone, and make a HALO jump... you more than likely could not do it. That does not mean you could not do it once you had the training and resources.

You expect DD to win NOW without the personnel and player development to do so. I expect to win... and soon. He has to find talent, coach it up, and get UT back to competing for the East by 12 IMO or else you might as well cut your losses.
That isn't true and to the degree that it is true of many... not all holes are equally deep. Meyer, Miles, Richt, etc inherited teams loaded with talent. Others inherited teams with less talent but at least a full roster of scholarship players and a few upper classmen with skills.

Again, I challenge you to find any coach who took over a program with problems as big as Dooley inherited.

So if I pay you to be a plant manager of a plant that builds computers where half the employees are brand new and you have a labor shortage of about 20%... and many of your senior employees aren't very good then you should be able to hit optimum output immediately, right? You are getting paid to do it... therefore the expectations should be there NOW.
That is one of the more ignorant things posted here in awhile. Only a few people here have said they expect anything less than championships. I am sorry but it is just plain stupid to make the argument that Dooley is to "blame" because this team didn't win one. Who will? I am not arguing you should be satisfied... I am arguing that you are very foolishly blaming the wrong guy. If the same is happening in 3 years then blame Dooley. He will have created his own problems rather than inheriting someone else's. I am really, really trying with you. Honestly I am... but do you know the first thing about football or team dynamics in general?

I'd be willing to bet I straped on a chin strap More times than you (but i'm not no pro at evaluations) ,So yeah I know football a little.... I allso posted why I thought fans felt a certain way..Key word is Thought. Now you can hit your ignore button on my post or do what ever it is you do...i'm not on here trying to change why you drool over Dooley..i was just saying why I'm not!

 

[SandstoneVol]

i would like for you to go watch every game we have played and come back and tell us we have not been poorly coached! I have seen coaches take a lot less and produce better results than this. ... we have lost 2 games alone on coaching this season. I can Promise you it's not fair to the players,fans or anyone else that loves UT football!

Not at this University you haven't.

 

[bmwparts]

why are so many vol fans acting like we were expected to go 10-2 this year? I for one said we would at best go 6-6, but more than likely 5-7, so i personally, allthough disappointed, am not too mad. I was just wondering why everyone (or most anyways) freaks the hell out when we lose to someone we was expected to lose to in the first place? I was wanting everyone to chill, even though i know that is impossible. Thank you, now i'll hang up and listen.

from the outside looking in, its because even when you guys get beat or have a bad few years UT fans still think the teams that beat them suck and the past history of the UT program makes up for it, things change and if UT fans like it or not South Carolina football has changed, we are getting 4-5 star guys that we have never gotten and the program is getting stronger, the team we have today is good but the next 3-4 years were gonna be great, bash away