Why are people acting like Dobbs can't get better?

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jps2194 said:
You know the one thing that truly amazes me about Hobbs (aka Dobbs) that nobody talks about much? He is incredibly tough and resistant to injuries. With all of the runs he's made, particularly when he runs in the middle along with the blindside hits he's had, he always gets up and continues playing. It's rare that a running QB doesn't get dinged up a couple of times during the year.

I guess it's a credit to strength and conditioning along with good genes.
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Runners who seem to have a 'knack' of avoiding injury are no doubt tough but they also seem to always shift their momentum, ever so slightly, away from the coming impact.. Kind of like Ali when he was young. When you did manage to hit him he always seemed to be moving away from the punch. Emmitt Smith was a master at this. Dobbs may be doing this.. It's not always obvious to the eye. Even subtle shifts can lessen impact quit a bit.
 
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I would love for Dobbs to come in next year and sling the ball around with accuracy. I also think he will be better next year.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Being on campus and working with the helps develop players. Similar to getting to campus as an early enrollee in January, it's an advantage over a player that reports in August.

You are right, that game experience is different than film study, weight room, or on the practice field, but time in the system is still an edge, most High School Football programs shouldn't even be considered any more than extra curricular activity(similar to the Model Rocket Club back in Jr high), compared to the routines for most Collegiate Student Atheletes.

The expectation is every athlete will improve performance, some improvement is faster and greater. To reach ones potential should be the ultimate goal and purpose of a regiment.

Go Vols!
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Good points but that wasn't what was being argued. D4H equates the end of Prescott's RS Junior year as four years EXPERIENCE. If he had argued that Dak being the unchallenged STARTER for a longer period of time was the crux of his superior stats after 3 seasons, then some would still argue...but not a majority. Dak simply didn't have an extra year of experience due to the redshirt...his extra experience is due to grabbing the starting job and holding onto it.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I thought it was his ability to hit the dinger.

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Couldn't resist.

I think everyone is wrong on the Dobbs inaccuracy issue. Dobbs gets in rhythm. Making plays with his legs helps his confidence and rhythm.

It's up to the throw game coordinator now to put a package together that accentuates Dobbs' talent and abilities. I think that starts with identifying the 60-catch receiver and his two supporting cast members so Dobbs can get in sync with some first team receivers.
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Who knows what is printed at 6:18 am?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Here are what two of the best QBs in the SEC this year were doing at the same stage in their development as Josh (3 years removed from high school).

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Dak Prescott - Mississippi State Bulldogs - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
58.4% completion percentage
1940 yards passing (7.3 yards per attempt)
10 TDs
7 INTs


Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Brandon Allen - Arkansas Razorbacks - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
49.6% completion percentage
1552 yards passing (6.0 yards per attempt)
13 TDs
10 INTs

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Joshua Dobbs - Tennessee Volunteers - washingtonpost.com

2015 season: True Junior
12 games played
59.9% completion percentage
2125 yards passing (6.7 yards per attempt)
15 TDs
5 INTs

If Dak Prescott and Brandon Allen can go from that to being 3000 yard passers that complete 65% of their passes, then why can't Dobbs? I'd argue Dobbs is ahead of both as passers after 3 years of college. Which means he should be even better than both next year as a senior.

You folks don't realize when you have a good thing till its gone. Josh Dobbs will be the best QB in the SEC next year and one of the best in the nation. Appreciate him before its too late.
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I do appreciate Dobbs. He does most everything you would want a QB to do. He does well on the short routes, and when he has to take off and make thing happen with his feet, I believe he is one of the best, maybe ever.

However, on pass plays over 25 yards, he does need to improve his accuracy. How much of that is on the receivers, how much is on the protection, and how much is on him? I don't know, but hopefully we will see it is fixed in Tampa.

It is one thing to appreciate a player. It is also appreciative to hope he is able to improve and win the hardware other team's players take home.
 
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gunner said:
Dobbs will need to improve his accuracy tremendously.

UT will need a new QB coach to coach Dobbs up!
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Teremndously is a huge stretch. Look at Chad Kellys completion %. Its at 65% and Dobbs is right at 60%. Thats not a tremendous improvement. Dobbs's accuracy issues arent solely on him.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Here are what two of the best QBs in the SEC this year were doing at the same stage in their development as Josh (3 years removed from high school).

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Dak Prescott - Mississippi State Bulldogs - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
58.4% completion percentage
1940 yards passing (7.3 yards per attempt)
10 TDs
7 INTs


Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Brandon Allen - Arkansas Razorbacks - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
49.6% completion percentage
1552 yards passing (6.0 yards per attempt)
13 TDs
10 INTs

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Joshua Dobbs - Tennessee Volunteers - washingtonpost.com

2015 season: True Junior
12 games played
59.9% completion percentage
2125 yards passing (6.7 yards per attempt)
15 TDs
5 INTs

If Dak Prescott and Brandon Allen can go from that to being 3000 yard passers that complete 65% of their passes, then why can't Dobbs? I'd argue Dobbs is ahead of both as passers after 3 years of college. Which means he should be even better than both next year as a senior.

You folks don't realize when you have a good thing till its gone. Josh Dobbs will be the best QB in the SEC next year and one of the best in the nation. Appreciate him before its too late.
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Apples and Oranges...

Dak and Brandon Allen had 2 more years to improve. Dobbs only has 1 year remaining.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Teremndously is a huge stretch. Look at Chad Kellys completion %. Its at 65% and Dobbs is right at 60%. Thats not a tremendous improvement. Dobbs's accuracy issues arent solely on him.
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Kelly also throws the ball consistently much further down the field....averaged more than 2 yards PER ATTEMPT this season...that's a huge number...and still had a significantly higher completion percentage.

I also heard two stats from Doug Mathews' Big Orange Sunday show this morning that defined our passing game and were somewhat astounding.....1. 54 of our 204 completed passes this season, or better than 1 out of every 4, were to a running back .....2. 40% of our passing production came from passes originally BEHIND the line of scrimmage.....and Dobbs still completed only right at 60% of his passes.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Watson is not a better runner than Dobbs. Dobbs is bigger, faster, and the more physical runner. Watson played against inferior competition with a superior supporting cast. So his rushing stats look artificially better.

I doubt he could run for 135 yards against a defense like Florida.

We'll see how good Watson is against Oklahoma. I suspect he struggles and Clemson gets blown out.
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Welp
 
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It's like Watson was the #1 QB in the country and a Heisman finalist or something.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Watson is not a better runner than Dobbs. Dobbs is bigger, faster, and the more physical runner. Watson played against inferior competition with a superior supporting cast. So his rushing stats look artificially better.

I doubt he could run for 135 yards against a defense like Florida.

We'll see how good Watson is against Oklahoma. I suspect he struggles and Clemson gets blown out.
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Yeah, I guess we just saw how good Watson was vs Oklahoma. Hint: he didn't struggle nor did Clemson get blown out. Lol!

And to revisit a few of your ill-conceived, erroneous points (there are just so many):

1. Evidently Watson is a better running QB than Josh....Josh has 623 yards rushing this year and ran for 12 yards vs Oklahoma...Watson ran for more than 1,000 this year and 145 yards today vs Oklahoma

2. Josh is NOT bigger than Watson. They are virtually the same size....they listed Watson as 6'2, 210 today...Josh is listed as 6'3, 206.

3. Did I mention that Watson didn't struggle today vs Final 4 team Oklahoma today in their playoff game?
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
So what is the talent gap between Dobbs and Watson? I know Watson was 5-star #1 DT, is he just more "accurate" than Dobbs?
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Watson is just simply the better passer. I also think it's a better overall system too. Clemson has better help around the QB.

Dobbs can make throws. I was watching the 45 minute highlight video of the season last night and there were some throws that Joshua made you go "DAAAYYYYUUMMMMMMM, that's an NFL throw". He has that ability. It's just A) Developing that consistency and B) Having a better support system around him.

Also, another thing to consider with Joshua. He was a project when the staff took him. He was supposed to be a five year player. This was supposed to be his first true game action. But all the injuries to Worley really ****ed that up.
 
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zjcvols said:
Watson is just simply the better passer. I also think it's a better overall system too. Clemson has better help around the QB.

Dobbs can make throws. I was watching the 45 minute highlight video of the season last night and there were some throws that Joshua made you go "DAAAYYYYUUMMMMMMM, that's an NFL throw". He has that ability. It's just A) Developing that consistency and B) Having a better support system around him.

Also, another thing to consider with Joshua. He was a project when the staff took him. He was supposed to be a five year player. This was supposed to be his first true game action. But all the injuries to Worley really ****ed that up.
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I really like Dobbs too, but he was a 4* coming out who did pretty well in the elite 11. He wasn't considered a project. I agree that Watson has better WRs, but as far as throws go, a highlight video doesn't tell the whole story with Dobbs. As many great throws as he had this year he matched with head scratchers.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, I guess we just saw how good Watson was vs Oklahoma. Hint: he didn't struggle nor did Clemson get blown out. Lol!

And to revisit a few of your ill-conceived, erroneous points (there are just so many):

1. Evidently Watson is a better running QB than Josh....Josh has 623 yards rushing this year and ran for 12 yards vs Oklahoma...Watson ran for more than 1,000 this year and 145 yards today vs Oklahoma

2. Josh is NOT bigger than Watson. They are virtually the same size....they listed Watson as 6'2, 210 today...Josh is listed as 6'3, 206.

3. Did I mention that Watson didn't struggle today vs Final 4 team Oklahoma today in their playoff game?
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Every dog has it's day. Good for Clemson. They executed the plays we failed to make.

I'll still take Josh as a runner over Watson. And you should know by now college measurables are highly inaccurate. Watson looks 6'1" and clearly smaller than Dobbs who looks closer to 6'4".
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I really like Dobbs too, but he was a 4* coming out who did pretty well in the elite 11. He wasn't considered a project. I agree that Watson has better WRs, but as far as throws go, a highlight video doesn't tell the whole story with Dobbs. As many great throws as he had this year he matched with head scratchers.
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I disagree. He was a project and I think the staff took him on planning not to play him for a couple years. Not to say he didn't have a talent, but I think the staff wanted him to sit and wait for a couple years. And I think that could have helped him too.

Either way, he's a good QB. He's doing well here. Hopefully another year with DeBord/Sheridan and he can be elite.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Every dog has it's day. Good for Clemson. They executed the plays we failed to make.

I'll still take Josh as a runner over Watson. And you should know by now college measurables are highly inaccurate. Watson looks 6'1" and clearly smaller than Dobbs who looks closer to 6'4".
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So we should trust your naked eye via television broadcast more than what the school posts?

Ok.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Every dog has it's day. Good for Clemson. They executed the plays we failed to make.

I'll still take Josh as a runner over Watson. And you should know by now college measurables are highly inaccurate. Watson looks 6'1" and clearly smaller than Dobbs who looks closer to 6'4".
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Lo effing L. So now, you're right because Dobbs "looks closer to 6'4" to you but Watson "looks 6'1"... jeez son, check your overgrown ego at the door. Take your thumb and index finger and put them approximately 1" apart...that's how much taller Josh is. And then please note that according to each team's official rosters, Watson weighs 1 more pound than Dobbs...they're virtually the exact same size. You'll never concede that point, but who really cares.

The biggest differences between these two very good collegiate quarterbacks is what they produce on the football field....in that regard, both running and throwing, it's Watson by a country mile. And guess what....he's only been in Clemson's program for two years while Josh has been in UTs for three.

While Dobbs is very good, Watson is elite.
 
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zjcvols said:
I disagree. He was a project and I think the staff took him on planning not to play him for a couple years. Not to say he didn't have a talent, but I think the staff wanted him to sit and wait for a couple years. And I think that could have helped him too.

Either way, he's a good QB. He's doing well here. Hopefully another year with DeBord/Sheridan and he can be elite.
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I see what you're saying.m and mostly agree. I'm probably being overly semantic, but I don't think that wanting to redshirt a player necessarily makes them a project. Coaches would like to redshirt 9/10 players if they were able too. Especially QBs.
 
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