Why Are Democrats Trying to Destroy Our Country?

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#153
LouderVol said:
right, and democracy loses its strength (just-ness)in those cases. especially when the votes don't represent all those who will be effected.

the only reason we had two candidates in this last race was because people are idiots. get rid of primaries, and you will be closer to what you want.
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You just made the case for the abolishment of a winner take all electoral college.
 
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Septic said:
You just made the case for the abolishment of a winner take all electoral college.
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I am all for states splitting votes. I am fine with the winner getting the "rounded up" votes for being the winner. but yeah split them all. I think you see the third/fourth/fifth parties suddenly winning an interesting number of EC votes then.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You should have two amendments while you are shooting the moon , one for the EC one for banning guns . Then we can get started living our utopian life with puff in Honahlee .
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If we're gonna do that, let's go ahead and convert to single payer health care, raising min wage to $20 per hour, and guaranteed housing and food stipends for everyone.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes, because there was nothing to impeach him for.
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And apparently there's nothing to impeach Trump for, but that hasn't stopped the Dems from digging. Imagine if Obama had been subjected to these types of investigations.
 
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Weezer said:
Back when they were alive, were they or were they not Democrats? I understand trying to change history to suit your narrative, but what I said is factual, not opinion. They were Democrats.
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People who believe that the ideologies of today's parties and those of decades ago are the same should be banished to the kiddy table immediately. The party name is the only thing these orgs have in common with the distant past.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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Weezer said:
You're not wrong, but the Dems have actually put words to action. The GOP did not. The Republicans suffered through Obama, while the Dems have tried to overthrow Trump. Feelings may be mutual, but the Dems have taken it to another level. I don't believe their actions benefit the country. If you want him out of office, find a candidate to beat him.
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The big differences are:
1. 20% thought Obama was reprehensible while 50% find Trump reprehensible (critical mass)
There has always been and will always be a segment from the opposing side that finds the current president reprehensible. Never before has the number been so high.

2. People who supported Obama did not find him to be an horrendously despicable human. Many people who support Trump find him to be an horrendously despicable human.
 
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McDad said:
Should be a super-easy amendment then. which representative is pushing this through the process with all their effort?
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No amendment is needed. It's clear that right now we have a lock on the popular vote but the EC is still up for grabs. That will be changing soon. The future is ours. Why do you think white nationalism is burning so hot now? I'll give you a hint:


The US will become ‘minority white’ in 2045, Census projects
 
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Weezer said:
Republicans hate Democrats and Democrats hate Republicans. Each love to bitch about the other. But I don't remember any serious attempt to impeach Obama.
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According to a July 2014 YouGov poll, 35% of Americans believed President Obama should be impeached, including 68% of Republicans.[20] Later that month, a CNN survey found that about two thirds of adult Americans disagreed with impeachment efforts. The data showed intense partisan divides, with 57% of Republicans supporting the efforts compared to only 35% of independents and 13% of Democrats.[4]

The convention of the South Dakota Republican Party voted in a 196-176 resolution to call for the impeachment of Obama based on his action to release five detainees from Guantanamo Bay in order to free Bowe Bergdahl from his Taliban captors.[21][22] Former Congressmember Allen West also expressed the view that the prisoner exchange that brought the release of Bowe Bergdahl was grounds for impeachment.[23] John Dean, former White House Counsel to Richard Nixon, criticized the movement to impeach Obama as "insanity," arguing that Republican demands for impeachment are grounded in political disagreements rather than actual impeachable offenses. "Partisans promoting and pushing impeachment as a political solution to being out of power seem to forget that what comes around goes around. These people are not conservatives, who by definition seek to protect the system; rather they are radicals who are gaming our constitutional system," he wrote.
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On July 8, 2014, the former Governor of Alaska and 2008 Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin publicly called for Obama's impeachment for "purposeful dereliction of duty".[25] In a full statement, she said: "It’s time to impeach; and on behalf of American workers and legal immigrants of all backgrounds, we should vehemently oppose any politician on the left or right who would hesitate in voting for articles of impeachment."[26][27]

A number of prominent Republicans rejected calls for impeachment, including House Speaker John Boehner, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Blake Farenthold. McCain said impeachment would be a distraction from the 2014 election, and that if "we regain control of the United States Senate we can be far more effective than an effort to impeach the president, which has no chance of succeeding." Farenthold said that impeachment would be "an exercise in futility."[28]
 
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luthervol said:
The big differences are:
1. 20% thought Obama was reprehensible while 50% find Trump reprehensible (critical mass)
There has always been and will always be a segment from the opposing side that finds the current president reprehensible. Never before has the number been so high.

2. People who supported Obama did not find him to be an horrendously despicable human. Many people who support Trump find him to be an horrendously despicable human.
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3. If 31% of Rs are like me and wouldn’t take a poll to save your life , Barry sucked worse than Trump .
 
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Septic said:
People who believe that the ideologies of today's parties and those of decades ago are the same should be banished to the kiddy table immediately. The party name is the only thing these orgs have in common with the distant past.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
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I don't consider acknowledging history embarrassing. Ignoring it or trying to deny it is what's embarrassing. I also acknowledged that the Dem beliefs of today are not the same as yester year, but history is still history.

Given your posting style, it's hard to imagine you getting many invites to sit at the adult table.
 
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Septic said:
According to a July 2014 YouGov poll, 35% of Americans believed President Obama should be impeached, including 68% of Republicans.[20] Later that month, a CNN survey found that about two thirds of adult Americans disagreed with impeachment efforts. The data showed intense partisan divides, with 57% of Republicans supporting the efforts compared to only 35% of independents and 13% of Democrats.[4]

The convention of the South Dakota Republican Party voted in a 196-176 resolution to call for the impeachment of Obama based on his action to release five detainees from Guantanamo Bay in order to free Bowe Bergdahl from his Taliban captors.[21][22] Former Congressmember Allen West also expressed the view that the prisoner exchange that brought the release of Bowe Bergdahl was grounds for impeachment.[23] John Dean, former White House Counsel to Richard Nixon, criticized the movement to impeach Obama as "insanity," arguing that Republican demands for impeachment are grounded in political disagreements rather than actual impeachable offenses. "Partisans promoting and pushing impeachment as a political solution to being out of power seem to forget that what comes around goes around. These people are not conservatives, who by definition seek to protect the system; rather they are radicals who are gaming our constitutional system," he wrote.
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On July 8, 2014, the former Governor of Alaska and 2008 Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin publicly called for Obama's impeachment for "purposeful dereliction of duty".[25] In a full statement, she said: "It’s time to impeach; and on behalf of American workers and legal immigrants of all backgrounds, we should vehemently oppose any politician on the left or right who would hesitate in voting for articles of impeachment."[26][27]

A number of prominent Republicans rejected calls for impeachment, including House Speaker John Boehner, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Blake Farenthold. McCain said impeachment would be a distraction from the 2014 election, and that if "we regain control of the United States Senate we can be far more effective than an effort to impeach the president, which has no chance of succeeding." Farenthold said that impeachment would be "an exercise in futility."[28]
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So as I clearly stated, no serious attempt to impeach Obama.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't consider acknowledging history embarrassing. Ignoring it or trying to deny it is what's embarrassing. I also acknowledged that the Dem beliefs of today are not the same as yester year, but history is still history.

Given your posting style, it's hard to imagine you getting many invites to sit at the adult table.
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"Acknowledge history"? What difference does the name make if the ideologies of the times were so titanically different? No, you're trying to foist the beliefs and actions of people bear that zero resemblance to today's party in an effort to score a cheap partisan point.

It's stupid to even attempt it.

Now go eat your mac n cheese, someone will bring you a juice box in a minute.
 
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Septic said:
"Acknowledge history"? What difference does the name make if the ideologies of the times were so titanically different? No, you're trying to foist the beliefs and actions of people bear that zero resemblance to today's party in an effort to score a cheap partisan point.

It's stupid to even attempt it.

Now go eat your mac n cheese, someone will bring you a juice box in a minute.
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lol

What is it with people trying to tell me what I think today?

I think you forgot your Geritol. You're awful cranky today. Did the male nurse forget to change your Depends again?
 
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McDad said:
lulz
careful here. the more we are okay with "my side" usurping the constitution the easier it is for "their side" to do it too.
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Where did that come from? I didn't say anything about "usurping" the Constitution. I'm fine with it as is.
 
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Weezer said:
lol

What is it with people trying to tell me what I think today?

I think you forgot your Geritol. You're awful cranky today. Did the male nurse forget to change your Depends again?
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You said it, you clearly think it. Own it, don't be shy.

Also, do nurses that happen to be men make you uncomfortable? Weird that you'd want to qualify that.
 
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