Why all the love for Gruden?

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Every time I see a coaching-related thread, someone's naming Jon Gruden as being a good candidate to take over at UT. Frankly, I can't see why.

Here are my issues, and this goes for any time you're talking about coaching.

1) A coach's demeanor doesn't really go far in how successful his team is. When Steve Spurrier took over in Washington, he promised early hours and daily golf on his part. The Redskins didn't win anything, but they finished ahead of a few of the "typical NFL coaches".

See also Tony Dungy, roundly criticized for a number of years for being "too mellow". He turned Tampa from Orangesicle-clad weiners into Super Bowl contenders.

2) What separates good coaches from bad coaches is how willing they are to adjust. A good coach will look at his personnel and say "You know, I love my system and all, but I don't think I have the guys to run it well. I'll make some adjustments at the base level to further enhance our positives and conceal our negatives."

A bad coach says "Personnel be damned, this is MY system and it's being run this way! I don't care that my quarterback has the mobility of a decomposing corpse, we're running the single wing!"

3) Creativity is a must-have in the coaching ranks. I hate to say it, but Urban Meyer is the best offensive mind since Bill Walsh. He has made myriad changes every season. This goes back to point #2. His 2002 Bowling Green playbook looks nothing like 2004 Utah, which looks nothing like 2005 OR 2006 Florida. The general principles are the same, but even the basic formations are dramatically different. Even blocking schemes for plays that carry over are different.

On the defensive side of the ball, GT's coordinator (whose name escapes me) is a defensive genius.

And Charlie Weis is not. Notre Dame losing to Navy in a few weeks will show that.

4) What makes Jon Gruden special? Here's what I can come up with
-- He's younger than normal
-- He's practically insane
-- He won a Super Bowl with Tampa in his first year, thanks to a healthy dose of Tony Dungy's fundamentally-sound coaching and a lot of fortuitous occurrances
-- He looks like Chucky
-- Since winning a Super Bowl, Gruden's Bucs are 27-37. They have made the playoffs once since, losing to an average Redskins team

All in all, it sounds like someone who's had success early and will be able to coast on that for a long time. Don Shula did it with Miami (two Super Bowl wins in his first three years overshadows the fact that he was generally mediocre over the ensuing 23 years), and apparently Gruden is trying the same thing. You'd think for all the complaining about Fulmer on that very same topic, it would eliminate Gruden from even being mentioned.

I don't think for a second that Gruden is a "genius", or that he's "fundamentally focused". I think he's a typical humorless, high-strung NFL coach who needs to make a point out of how little he sleeps to show everyone how dedicated he is. I don't buy for a second that he would be remotely successful at the college level, let alone in the SEC.
 
#2
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LOL. I guess my silly post elicited this retort. If you didn't catch it, I was kidding.
 
#3
#3
Gruden would be more succesful in college. He's a player's coach. He's like Jim Mora jr.....he's just more cut out to be a college coach.
I like the fact he only sleeps like 4 hours a day...the rest of the time he's at work
 
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agreed.
I guarantee you if nothing else, TN would be more respected.

The thing is...usually college coaches can't coach in the NFL....
BUT...NFL failures usually do well in college
 
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And Obama could win the war on terror.


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Yeah I've been laughing at this Gruden talk for some time now. I guess him being a Super Bowl winner in the past is acceptable despite how poor he's been since. Kinda like how Fulmer is. Oh the irony....but hey....maybe Fulmer could go elsewhere with a fresh start and be great just like Gruden can coach in college out of the blue and be a sure fire, can't miss hire. hahaha
 
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LOL. I guess my silly post elicited this retort. If you didn't catch it, I was kidding.

Even so, I'm bored and will give my 2 cents.

I think his name recognition would be needed to replace Phil's out of state recruiting prowess. He has a very good offensive mind. The question I have is why do people love him so much? He gravytrained Dungy's Bucs for a ring and although he was improving the Faders, he hasn't done much with the Bucs after the SB.

I'd be OK w/ him at the helm if Phil leaves, but I'd describe my feeling as "cautiously optimistic."
 
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Not this year boys, not this year. The idea of "genius Weis" goes out the window as soon as Paul Johnson gets his country bumpkin mug carried off the field on the shoulders of some future admirals.
 
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4) What makes Jon Gruden special? Here's what I can come up with
-- He's younger than normal
-- He's practically insane
-- He won a Super Bowl with Tampa in his first year, thanks to a healthy dose of Tony Dungy's fundamentally-sound coaching and a lot of fortuitous occurrances
-- He looks like Chucky
-- Since winning a Super Bowl, Gruden's Bucs are 27-37. They have made the playoffs once since, losing to an average Redskins team

So he gets no credit for improving a mediocre Oakland Raiders team and taking them to the Super Bowl 3 years after he became head coach?
 
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#14
Loooooooooong time Bucs fan Gruden bloz. Ripped apart a great team cant get a half rate decent QB. One might have fallen into his lap this year. But he has shown 0 ZERO in the past years at TB
 
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#15
He may have sucked in the NFL, but so did Pete Carrol, it seems like things are working out well for him now at SC doesnt it and Gruden actually has a world championship
 
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#19
Come on Cincy, we are having enough problems keeping our players from getting suspended as it is. The last thing we need is for Marvin's bad influence to destroy the program:)
 
#22
#22
on the real we should have jumped ship when steve came back. I wish we have got him.
 
#23
#23
Success in the NFL and in college do not equate.

Head coaches in college are coaches.

Head coaches in the NFL are managers.
 
#25
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Success in the NFL and in college do not equate.

Head coaches in college are coaches.

Head coaches in the NFL are managers.

Most asinine post I've ever seen from you. They're far from just managers. Having spent most of my summer with the Titans, Jeff Fisher makes Phillip Fulmer look like a towel boy.
 
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