Why a new OC?

[tennesseeduke]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

Because if you can get Helfrich he's elite! Debord is getting ready to retire. We need a name with the cred that can recruit against Bama, FSU, Clemson etc...

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

 

[papatomany]

Although Dobbs wouldn't have needed to bail himself out of 3rd and long if he didn't have a tendency to over throw 4 out of 6 open receivers by about 5 feet.

And yet, he led the conference in passing efficiency, including first down passing efficiency. Go figure.

 

[alaVOL]

I'm for getting the defense figured out, instead of wholesale changes that RARELY work in year one. If our defense had been as good as 2015 we'd been at least 10-2 or probably 11-1. Shoop will have another year to get his system ingrained and hopefully that will mean more wins. Afterward we can complain why we only won by 3 instead of 20.

 

[coach799]

Next year's QB will need more coaching due to being inexperienced at this level. I don't buy the logic that Dormady is in because he has taken 50 live snaps. He doesn't fit the style CBJ wants to run so I expect he will leave when he gets passed up. Guarantano will need a QB coach in order to be ready for the challenge. We also have to improve the DB play immediately to have a chance to win the SECE next year!

GO VOLS!!!

 

[RICK0380]

Anyone whom watches football can see that Dobbs made half of the plays work on his own... Not the playcall but Dobbs making something happen... That's why we need an OC

 

[VolForLife83]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

You'll see why after we don't have Dobbs free styling

 

[ncvol004]

Dobbs saved us over and over on busted plays when no one was open. There will be a huge difference next year with dobbs gone.i think dormandy will make the O look alot like when worley started.....

 

[tvolsfan]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

Seriously? Hurd's departure is the reason for the improved offensive numbers? Not the enormous drop in quality of competition?

To be fair, the offensive numbers weren't really a problem in the early games, either.

 

[sanddune50]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

Because most of the success of the offense was due to Dobbs making something out of nothing. We can't keep leaning on a player making chicken salad out of chicken sh1t. Let Debord focus on the O-line and bring a creative OC in here that can create match up issues for opposing defenses. Dive plays out of shotgun and bubble screens isn't going to take us to the next level.

 

[JMSqb11]

We were destined to lose at least 2 games this year maybe 3, even if we played our best. Two big losses to Alabama, and probably another loss to Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl.

Well better hope so. If Butch goes thru his 5th year without winning the East, I doubt anything less than 10 wins keeps his job.

 

[joshwa]

I don't think a new OC makes a bit of difference if Butch still micromanages it. Unless he takes his thumb off of whoever runs it, the product will still be the same.

I wish there were a 'dumb' button right beside the 'like' button

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

This year, Alabama has given up 11.1 ppg in 14 games. Starting with the Tennessee game this year, Alabama has given up 8.1 ppg in their last 8 games. In case you aren't aware, Alabama has a pretty good defense.

Edit: Florida gave up an average of 17.1 ppg this year, and 13.5 ppg the year before.

Gotcha.

What you are saying is that Jones shouldn't try to upgrade his staff if the opportunity comes up because Florida and Alabama have good defenses.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Oh those 2 terrible defenses that every other team scores a ton on? I mean look at what the Huskies just did the bammer. We need an explosive offense like Washington just showed the world in the Peach bowl. Right?

You have got to be one of the one of the most condescending jack asses on this site.

Congratulations.

Not going to get into an actual response to your point such as it is because it's a waste of time.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

1. Mistakes
2. Lack of discipline
3. Inability to adapt to defense

The offense isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination, but I think too many people are focusing solely on yardage, rather than the big picture. We turned the ball over more than any other team in the SEC aside from Kentucky. We were one of the worst in the nation when it came to penalties.

I'm never been totally down on DeBord, but I don't think he's a championship caliber OC. He does some things very well. He's good at game planning. But we've regressed significantly when it comes to "the little things" this past year and that worries me. We can't keep putting our defense in bad spots because we're constantly turning the ball over.

DeBord is good at game-planning, but as we saw in the Alabama game, when the defense changes its looks, it's like he has no ability to adapt on the fly. That's not a good sign to me. Great teams are smart enough to throw new wrinkles and new looks at opposing offenses. (See how Clemson confused Ohio State's offense last night.)

I know a lot of people keeping saying "it's Butch's fault" but I don't see it. We were very disciplined and didn't make as many mistakes under Coach Jake and that continued into 2015. There's nothing wrong with the offensive scheme that Butch wants to run. The problem all season has simply been "little things" like penalties, not holding onto the ball, dropping passes, etc. To me, that falls more on the Offensive Coordinator than the Head Coach.

I think this quote after the SC game goes to the point you are making.

"They didn’t want to give up big plays and they didn’t. The other thing is what we see every week, and it’s been interesting, but what we’re seeing on film throughout the week, teams are changing it up. What you practice against is not always what you see in the game. That’s having to adjust with our players and things like that.

Mike DeBord: Teams look differently on film than in game


Unfortunately for the Vols, Alabama and Florida have good defenses according to other posters so the Vols shouldn't worry about trying to improve.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

It would be interesting to see what other teams are averaging against them during this stretch as well.

Just pulled a couple of teams based on rivalry but Auburn is averaging 25.75 ppg against Bama in the same 4 year stretch.

FSU is averaging 29.75 against Florida.

I think that's what the Vols should be aspiring to, to actually be a legitimate rivalry against Alabama and Florida again.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Because if you can get Helfrich he's elite! Debord is getting ready to retire. We need a name with the cred that can recruit against Bama, FSU, Clemson etc...

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else my friend, I'm just curious...

If Helfrich is such an elite O mind and he's such a great recruiter that he can recruit against the best in the business then why did he get fired?

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[08Vol]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

In all honesty, because his contact is up. He has been good but not great. We have to keep upgrading our coaches and players if we have the opportunity.

 

[1972 Grad]

Gotcha.

What you are saying is that Jones shouldn't try to upgrade his staff if the opportunity comes up because Florida and Alabama have good defenses.

Where did I say that? We aren't going to beat Alabama with the players that we have. We have some good ones, just not 2 or 3 at every position like they do. Sorry.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Where did I say that? We aren't going to beat Alabama with the players that we have. We have some good ones, just not 2 or 3 at every position like they do. Sorry.

I just ignored the point of your post like you did with mine.

The goal should be working to get to the level of Alabama, not automatically conceding defeat and not even trying as it seems you're suggesting.

If they can upgrade the staff and bring in guys with proven track records of developing players, the roster will inherently improve. That's how Saban has been doing it at Bama.

 

[TGVol]

Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

Discuss

Because too often in games this year the offense stalled for a long time - even in some games where it eventually ended up scoring a decent amount (ie first half's in pretty much all games early in the year, and second half vs Vandy are great examples). It was as if there was a switch where someone said now we are just going to sit on the ball and do nothing. Also, Kamara and Dobbs are gone so who is going to bail out OC and Butch next year when they make questionable calls?

 

[Burger]

In all honesty, because his contact is up. He has been good but not great. We have to keep upgrading our coaches and players if we have the opportunity.

Then why are people not wanting to improve from Jones to Chip Kelly?

 

[robow]

I wish there were a 'dumb' button right beside the 'like' button

Be more fun if it was a detonate button! It would make the BOOOOMS better also.

 

[UTblood4life]

Just like Satan butch runs it all

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Then why are people not wanting to improve from Jones to Chip Kelly?

The buyouts and the recruiting angle are two primary reasons I don't want to see Kelly here.

Kelly is on record as saying he doesn't like the work that goes into recruiting.

That will get coaches eaten alive in the SEC.

 

[KINGSVOL]

If we want to get to Bama elite, we have to emulate what they do; snatched up a proven OC!!! CH can help break a few tendencies and and take over as the OC after 17, after CD retires or takes a lower position. As most have said here, the offense is NOT the problem, 2nd in the SEC will get us 10-11 wins EVERY YEAR. DEFENSE HAS TO BE PRIORITY 1!!!!!