Why a new OC?

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JonGrudensAgent said:
Because they are averaging 13.5 ppg against Alabama and 22.5 ppg against FL in 4 seasons.

Feasting on the back half of the schedule and padding stats against lesser opponents is all well and good but figuring out how to perform better against our major rivals should be the goal at this point.
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Oh those 2 terrible defenses that every other team scores a ton on? I mean look at what the Huskies just did the bammer. We need an explosive offense like Washington just showed the world in the Peach bowl. Right?
 
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illvol said:
Just curious but what evidence is there that this happens? I've heard it before but how do you know that Butch micromanages the offense and that Debord doesn't call the shots.
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There is no evidence - just speculation - like there is speculation that Jones handcuffed Shoop. I doubt he micro-manages things any more than any other HC does.
 
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Dobbs' legs are the only reason Debord's playcalling looks like a B- instead of a D- on the season.

Look at how many points were due to him alone, much less the number of negative plays that were positive just because of him. If Mahoney is retained, Debord is retained, and Butch Starts Dormady next year, then God help the Vols.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't think a new OC makes a bit of difference if Butch still micromanages it. Unless he takes his thumb off of whoever runs it, the product will still be the same.
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VN logic. We had a record setting offense but lost two games we shouldn't have so of course we have to replace somebody.
 
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1972 Grad said:
We were destined to lose at least 2 games this year maybe 3, even if we played our best. Two big losses to Alabama, and probably another loss to Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl.
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I don't believe destiny had anything to do with it. There wasn't a single game where the team looked prepared to play at the start of the 1st quarter. That's all on how Jones is running the team from top to bottom.
 
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neyland05 said:
He wasted most of the year on Hurd instead of playing the better backs. It was clear that we had two backs on our team that were better than hurd. He is super predictable. Too many screens to the receivers. Any coordinator could put up decent numbers with the playmakers that we had.
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Not supporting Hurd's complaints, but there were times they had him running plays the defense knew was coming to the short side of the field. I think most of the problem was Hurd, but the OC could have been a little less predictable on those calls.

But the big reason I think so many want that change is they sees Debord as a yes man to Butch. And though the passing stats might be better this year, Dobbs still has occasional accuracy issues, and they blame Debord for it. They see no reason to have Mahoney and Debord both working with the line when a Helfrich might make one of the QBs we have into the next Mariota.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Dobbs' legs are the only reason Debord's playcalling looks like a B- instead of a D- on the season.

Look at how many points were due to him alone, much less the number of negative plays that were positive just because of him. If Mahoney is retained, Debord is retained, and Butch Starts Dormady next year, then God help the Vols.
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Not debating the predictable conservative play calls, but for Debord to call plays with Dobbs' skills in mind, is that something to fault him for or should he get credit for using the strengths of his QB?

I always wondered if the correct read was made or was a handoff to the back the play that was called.
 
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My only problem with the offense this year (maybe last year too) it seems like first down is do or die. If we get a false start/holding penalty or dropped for a loss of more than 2 yards we may as well punt and the next down. I don't know if that's scheme related or not but it seemed like we very rarely recover from making a mental mistake on 1st down.
 
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None of this matters if we don't get more of the players that played today. Trying to win every year with less talent is hard.
 
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1. Mistakes
2. Lack of discipline
3. Inability to adapt to defense

The offense isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination, but I think too many people are focusing solely on yardage, rather than the big picture. We turned the ball over more than any other team in the SEC aside from Kentucky. We were one of the worst in the nation when it came to penalties.

I'm never been totally down on DeBord, but I don't think he's a championship caliber OC. He does some things very well. He's good at game planning. But we've regressed significantly when it comes to "the little things" this past year and that worries me. We can't keep putting our defense in bad spots because we're constantly turning the ball over.

DeBord is good at game-planning, but as we saw in the Alabama game, when the defense changes its looks, it's like he has no ability to adapt on the fly. That's not a good sign to me. Great teams are smart enough to throw new wrinkles and new looks at opposing offenses. (See how Clemson confused Ohio State's offense last night.)

I know a lot of people keeping saying "it's Butch's fault" but I don't see it. We were very disciplined and didn't make as many mistakes under Coach Jake and that continued into 2015. There's nothing wrong with the offensive scheme that Butch wants to run. The problem all season has simply been "little things" like penalties, not holding onto the ball, dropping passes, etc. To me, that falls more on the Offensive Coordinator than the Head Coach.
 
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25801VOL said:
We need a QB coach
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Agree but probably for a different reason - we are going to have a brand new QB so having a good QB coach is really a necessity.

Butch's offense struggles against good defensive opponents..
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All offenses struggle against a good defensive opponent. The problem with Vandy was NOT the offense. We scored enough points to win and more points than any other SEC opponent scored on Vandy.
 
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rtb1983 said:
Although Dobbs wouldn't have needed to bail himself out of 3rd and long if he didn't have a tendency to over throw 4 out of 6 open receivers by about 5 feet.
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Like it or not Dobbs was good enough to get us to 10-2. There is a disconnect with coaching. Dont get sucked in to we played great in a bowl game since butch has been here lets play great in the regular season when it matter. Not a bowl game that didnt matter as much in progression of the program.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Agree but probably for a different reason - we are going to have a brand new QB so having a good QB coach is really a necessity.



All offenses struggle against a good defensive opponent. The problem with Vandy was NOT the offense. We scored enough points to win and more points than any other SEC opponent scored on Vandy.
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We've moved the ball just fine against FL the past 2 years as well.

Bama shuts down pretty much everybody. You can't judge anyone for playing a bad game against them.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
We've moved the ball just fine against FL the past 2 years as well.

Bama shuts down pretty much everybody. You can't judge anyone for playing a bad game against them.
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Yes you can when they are the measuring stick. We play Alabama every. And, we shouldn't bow dow to no one. The one thing we should be doing every year is recruit to beat bama, Fla, and Georgia and win. This is Tennessee! This isnt BFU!
 
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I think it's more scheme than play calling. Seems too finesse and doesn't work against good defenses.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Because they are averaging 13.5 ppg against Alabama and 22.5 ppg against FL in 4 seasons.

Feasting on the back half of the schedule and padding stats against lesser opponents is all well and good but figuring out how to perform better against our major rivals should be the goal at this point.
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It would be interesting to see what other teams are averaging against them during this stretch as well.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't think a new OC makes a bit of difference if Butch still micromanages it. Unless he takes his thumb off of whoever runs it, the product will still be the same.
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Agreed. Most of my problem is execution and OL play. DeBora was sometimes predictable but he had to be because of what I just said.
 
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Last I checked Debord is the only coach on this staff who has coached in and won a NC. I think Debord has tweaked Butch's offense and at times it looks very good. Can't quite figure why it was so slow out of thr gate early in the year. Unless UT can hire an OC who is proven and has the green light to run the show, then I say why bother.
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
Yes you can when they are the measuring stick. We play Alabama every. And, we shouldn't bow dow to no one. The one thing we should be doing every year is recruit to beat bama, Fla, and Georgia and win. This is Tennessee! This isnt BFU!
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Yes this is Tennessee. Someone who hasn't been relevant in 20 years.
 
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