Whose ready for some new states?

[Mick]

LMFAO go check and see when “Republicans” were formed Micky

I didn't say republicans were the founding fathers, I said they are "scared shitless of pure democracy. "

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I did say republicans were the founding fathers, I said they are "scared shitless of pure democracy. "

You do realize that pure democracy is a nice way to say mob rule

 

[Mick]

You do realize that pure democracy is a nice way to say mob rule

No, it's majority rule. Not seeing the difference means you're in the mob.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No, it's majority rule. Not seeing the difference means you're in the mob.

Exactly.

Just be patient. You'll get your wish as more idiots move into the cities. It's just math.

 

[0nelilreb]

No, it's majority rule. Not seeing the difference means you're in the mob.

Why Socrates Hated Democracy -

Why does it not surprise me in the least that you and Socrates do not have the same thought process or educated opinions ?

 

[ajvol01]

It ain't that hard for DC and Puerto Rico. MAGA!

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

Big surprise you’re in favor of this

Can’t win national elections or majorities in both houses? NO PROBLEM - we’ll just add new Blue states.

Sickening

 

[NorthDallas40]

I did say republicans were the founding fathers, I said they are "scared shitless of pure democracy. "

Lol. The Republican Party was formed in 1854 you screeching clueless twit.

 

[evillawyer]

Big surprise you’re in favor of this

Can’t win national elections or majorities in both houses? NO PROBLEM - we’ll just add new Blue states.

Sickening

As I've continually been told, states/land masses matter and should have a voice as well, regardless of the fact that states like wyoming have fewer people than my neighborhood.

 

[ajvol01]

As I've continually been told, states/land masses matter and should have a voice as well, regardless of the fact that states like wyoming have fewer people than my neighborhood.

DC isn’t either a state or land mass.

If either DC or Puerto Rico leaned conservative, how many Democrats would be arguing for statehood?

There’s ZERO benefit to make DC a state. It’s ridiculous. Not worthy of discussion.

What makes Puerto Rico more worthy than other US territories?

And what benefit is there to the country as a whole is there in designating any US territories a state?

 

[hog88]

No, leave the rules as they are. The country is moving in the right direction. I mean left.

We will keep turning left until we drive off the cliff.

 

[hog88]

That's just Republicans.

That is anybody with 1/2 a brain. Pure democracy is nothing but tyranny by mob rule.

 

[hog88]

The problem with the Senate isn't the number of Senators per state. The problem is the 17th Amendment.

THIS!! The 17th needs to be repealed.

 

[MontyPython]

It ain't that hard for DC and Puerto Rico. MAGA!

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

Don't forget Guam... oh, and Greenland.

 

[tvolsfan]

Imagine actually quoting Socrates about democracy in 2020.

 

[MontyPython]

Do Puerto Ricans even want it? Legitimately asking because I have no idea.

PR put this to vote previously, and it passed.

 

[ajvol01]

This is a very low-effort thread, sir, even for you.

It’s Ma’am!!!

 

[tvolsfan]

PR put this to vote previously, and it passed.

Be careful with those numbers. The most recent referendum had about 20 percent turnout as a result of a boycott. I've seen other polls and referendums with something indicating plurality support for statehood, but I don't really see evidence of a majority, let alone a strong one.

 

[MontyPython]

Be careful with those numbers. The most recent referendum had about 20 percent turnout as a result of a boycott. I've seen other polls and referendums with something indicating plurality support for statehood, but I don't really see evidence of a majority, let alone a strong one.

Wiki...

"A referendum on the political status of Puerto Rico was held in Puerto Rico on June 11, 2017.[1] The referendum had three options: becoming a state of the United States, independence/free association, or maintaining the current territorial status.[2] Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%."

 

[ajvol01]

Less than 50% of the population controls 82% of the Senate. Fundamentally why we're in the mess we are. Full steam ahead with some more states.

Why are you OK with this lie?

We’ve never been a Democracy

 

[tvolsfan]

Wiki...

"A referendum on the political status of Puerto Rico was held in Puerto Rico on June 11, 2017.[1] The referendum had three options: becoming a state of the United States, independence/free association, or maintaining the current territorial status.[2] Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%."

Again, it had about 20 percent turnout in a territory where turnout is generally very high. People chose to boycott this vote. This definitely doesn't indicate a majority really support statehood.

 

[tvolsfan]

Why are you OK with this lie?

We’ve never been a Democracy

Enough with this ****. We have always been a democracy.

What you mean to say is we have never been a direct democracy. We are a constitution republic and a representative democracy, and always have been.

 

[ButchPlz]

You do realize that pure democracy is a nice way to say mob rule

It fails everywhere, just like totalitarian states eventually wither and die.

If anything, our initial founding fathers set up a 'nobility' of elected officials where each level of the country was represented. State governments were represented by the senate, the people by the house, and all by the president as essentially a final arbiter (and the electoral college prevents domination by populous areas- any of you nitwits that support popular vote tell me why the mass of people in New York, LA, etc., all with similar geographic needs and requirements, should be able to tell you, in rural TN, how to live). The courts represented the longer-term stability needed to keep a foundation of order.

In fact, the original intent of our government was for our elected officials to be independently successful folks with their own wealth, ostensibly so they wouldn't be controlled by interests. This is in letters from many of the founding fathers- they wanted already wealthy landowners and businesspeople and merchants and lawyers with good educations that would be able to think beyond their own short-term financial needs. Unfortunately we've shat that up by allowing any idiot without any investment in anything to vote and bail when they keep making bad decisions, or to get into office to increase their own wealth.

So in actuality, I agree with whoever said we were terrified of direct democracy. I am definitely terrified of direct democracy. It is a stupid idea and will not work, and we're only in the state we are now because we've 'democratized' so damn much already.

 

[MontyPython]

Again, it had about 20 percent turnout in a territory where turnout is generally very high. People chose to boycott this vote. This definitely doesn't indicate a majority really support statehood.

Puerto Rico to vote on statehood referendum at November general election

 

[tvolsfan]

Puerto Rico to vote on statehood referendum at November general election

If a strong number of Puerto Ricans vote in favor of statehood, I'd certainly be open to it, but I don't think the numbers will bear that out.

 

[hog88]

Why would teh Ricans want to be a state? Right now they get almost all of the benefits of statehood without paying the bill.