Who's the best QB in the SEC thru 6 weeks?

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DarthVisor said:
If talking pure talent, then it's Bray, and it isn't close. If talking production, then it's McCarron.
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Bray can only throw the long ball. He can't scramble or rollout. If he played for Saban or Spurrier he wouldn't even be the starter.
 
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Negateer said:
""" In the same number of games, Bray has thrown 193 passes to McCarron's 111."""

Yup, and we're talking production.

Ya might want to consult the dictionary.
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You can look at production in two ways:

1) Player A plays less than Player B, but is much more productive with his playing time.

2) Player B plays more than Player A, and produces more simply because he's had more playing time.

I'll let you decide which you'd rather have, but I'll take #1. Yards, TDs, and INTs per attempt are much more valuable stats than yards, TDs, and INTs per season.
 
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bamawriter said:
You can look at production in two ways:

1) Player A plays less than Player B, but is much more productive with his playing time.

2) Player B plays more than Player A, and has produces more simply because he's had more playing time.

I'll let you decide which you'd rather have, but I'll take #1. Yards, TDs, and INTs per attempt are much more valuable stats than yards, TDs, and INTs per season.
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Don't take this the wrong way, because I like McCarron. He is a tidy player.

But he is a placeholder at his position. In Saban's team, you could probably put in anybody with decent accuracy and he would succeed. The QB is simply not asked to do a lot. His biggest attribute is that he knows how NOT to lose a game for Alabama.

If he were on UTs team, where he had to essentially put the team on his shoulders, then we could compare, but as it is, he is a decent bit player for a NC caliber team.
 
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1world1love said:
Don't take this the wrong way, because I like McCarron. He is a tidy player.

But he is a placeholder at his position. In Saban's team, you could probably put in anybody with decent accuracy and he would succeed. The QB is simply not asked to do a lot. His biggest attribute is that he knows how NOT to lose a game for Alabama.

If he were on UTs team, where he had to essentially put the team on his shoulders, then we could compare, but as it is, he is a decent bit player for a NC caliber team.
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"Tidy" is a very good word for him.

Now, (not to you, but the original question) my list would be:

Manziel
Bray
Shaw
Murray

The question was about who's having the better year so far, and figuring in what each guy's been asked to do and what they've subsequently done, I'd go with these.
 
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Negateer said:
You can only look at production one way.

Like, you know, how much they produce. :hi:
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You and I work the same manufacturing job. You're full-time and I'm part-time.

I assemble 500 widgets during my 30 hour week.

You assemble 600 widgets during your 40 hour week.

Which one of us is more productive?
 
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bamawriter said:
You and I work the same manufacturing job. You're full-time and I'm part-time.

I assemble 500 widgets during my 30 hour week.

You assemble 600 widgets during your 40 hour week.

Which one of us is more productive?
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The answer is C. The machine that produces 1,000 widgets a day.
 
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#86
""'Which one of us is more productive"""

The one that produces the most.

Here's a question:

One qb throws one pass, for 80 yards.

The other QB throws 100 passes, for 10 yards a pass.

Which is more productive?

The one who threw 100 passes for 10 yards a pass.

Mmmkay? It makes no difference that the other guy averages 80 yards a pass.
 
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Negateer said:
""'Which one of us is more productive"""

The one that produces the most.

Here's a question:

One qb throws one pass, for 80 yards.

The other QB throws 100 passes, for 10 yards a pass.

Which is more productive?
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But we aren't talking 1 pass vs 10. That can lead to a statistical anomaly. We're talking 193 vs 111. That's a large enough sample size to make anomalies unlikely.

I'm not going to keep beating up the point. If you would prefer fewer yards and TDs, with more INTs, per attempt, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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wolfe said:
Bray can only throw the long ball. He can't scramble or rollout. If he played for Saban or Spurrier he wouldn't even be the starter.
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Bray is a very talented QB. It's a shame that he hasn't had better coaching.
 
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tnvols72 said:
No way ,Driskel is better than Bray
Not so sure Murray is.He is about like Bray you pressure him and he gets rattled.Bray has thrown balls also that have been dropped.
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You say that but Driskel has managed to beat us and the #2 team in the country without fawking it up. I'm not sure why you would even put Bray in the top 5 right now. He hasn't done anything.
 
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arguing arm strength and passer ability vs leader under center are two different things

driskel, shaw, and mccarron have all shown the ability to lead a team and effectively close a game.

driskel makes strides every game, almost every quarter. it's pretty interesting to watch his progress.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not going to keep beating up the point. If you would prefer fewer yards and TDs, with more INTs, per attempt, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Is that you, AA?

I'll never agree that someone who was less productive is actually more productive.

The word you're looking for is efficient.

But productive? Nope. Bray is way more productive than McCarron.
 
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  1. Shaw
  2. Murray (gets a pass for saturday... not his fault the d was in his face the whole game... give him time, he's one of the best in the country)
  3. Driskel
  4. Manziel
  5. McCarron
 
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Negateer said:
Bray's the top QB in the league right now.
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Compelling Argument...

So by your logic, Colt Brennen (memba him?) from Hawaii years back was the best QB in the nation because he had the best stats, right?

FYI... He was cut from the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the Canadian Football League this past June after dropping in the depth chart (this was after being cut by the Hartford Colonials of the UFL late in 2011)

:good!:
 
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Negateer said:
You can only look at production one way.

Like, you know, how much they produce. :hi:
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McCarron is clearly much more productive when he's asked to throw the ball. Is it is fault that he's not asked to throw the ball so much? Looks to me like he's a much more efficient QB than Bray.

My motto Bray... "he's garbage when it matters"
 
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Negateer said:
Is that you, AA?

I'll never agree that someone who was less productive is actually more productive.

The word you're looking for is efficient.

But productive? Nope. Bray is way more productive than McCarron.
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So, again, you'd rather have the guy who nets almost a yard less per completion, has to complete more than 4 more passes per touchdown, and throws more picks. I don't understand your decision, but I won't argue.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, again, you'd rather have the guy who nets almost a yard less per completion, has to complete more than 4 more passes per touchdown, and throws more picks. I don't understand your decision, but I won't argue.
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Negavolteer is not a true vol fan. I think he's a mizzu (or vandy) fan that comes on here purposely sounding like a retard to make us vol fans look stupid.

Pay him no mind. :hi:
 
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#99
As all negavols know -- at least for one week - this one - Tyler Russell will look the best
 
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bamawriter said:
So, again, you'd rather have the guy who nets almost a yard less per completion, has to complete more than 4 more passes per touchdown, and throws more picks. I don't understand your decision, but I won't argue.
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I think we all understand your point. Everybody on here would trade Bray for McCarron if the rest of the team and the current W-L record would switch as well. Because if we just had McCarron on our team, we would likely have lost to NCSU and lost by 30 to UGA and UF.

But that is all a fantasy at this point and not really worth debating.

What is interesting is that you seem to place a premium on production, but you don't seem to be lobbying for Manziel much. I don't have the exact numbers, but suffice it to say that no QB in the conference is close to him in overall production.

But then, why would you prop him up since you are an Alabama fan? The same reason why you won't find many UT FANS on a UT FORUM to admit that McCarron is a better QB than Bray.

Like I said, we get your point though.
 
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