who's predicting a double digit win over UF

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BowlBrother85 said:
I didn't say that he did... but his statement that they are either better in parts or a year older in others can be said about most college teams including Tennessee. That's not insight. His argument that they won't miss Hargreaves is also highly debatable. I'm glad he's gone.
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I'm not going to go into detail now, but I can later if you like.

Last season, they had a bunch of freshman and a transfer from Fordham playing on the o-line. They had a field goal kicker who couldn't kick the ball over the line of scrimmage.

Saying they will be better "on paper" really isn't a stretch.

The whole "year 2" thing is something that a lot of people casually dismiss as well.

I know people will ignore it because of things KBVol posts regarding Florida, but he can tell you what I thought of Florida's talent level last year.

So, considering the source (me), the argument that the team will be better is not surprising because I argued it was the worst Gator roster I have seen since the late 80's which were effected by probation.
 
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99gator said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Those who read my posts know what I thought of Florida's talent level last season.

While I will freely admit that Florida's talent level is not where it normally is or where I would like it, it is a much, much better football team in 2016 than 2015.

Now, I don't want to be misunderstood. I know Tennessee should be a better football team too.

All I am saying is that some of you seem to speak as if Florida is going to be worse than last year. That's just not the case.
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I actually think the gators will be a worse team this year.

They lost a lot of talent. Don't have a QB and play a tough schedule.

I would put a lot of money on it that they don't win 10 games like last season.
 
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99gator said:
Florida will miss Neal. VHIII is a great player, but he just happened to play at the deepest position on the Florida roster.

If there is one thing on Florida's roster that is where it needs to be in order to be a championship level football team, it's CB.

They'll miss Bullard more than VHIII.

They will be better at literally every position on the offensive side of the ball. The one exception is QB. I'm not prepared to say that QB play will be as good as Grier or what I think Grier was going to become, but it's a whole heck of a lot better than Treon.

In some places, the talent is better. In some places, the talent is a year older. They are also no longer running a new system.

Oh, and they can attempt a field goal without it appearing on a youtube "epic fail" video clip.

It's not where it needs to be in order to compete for championships, but it's going to be a pretty good team with a much better roster than last season.
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Sorry dude, you can't get around that mediocre offensive line. The offensive line that was just plain offensive at the end of the season last year. Also, Del Rio has apparently failed at every stop he has been at thus far. What makes you think that the light has suddenly turned on for him? He is not a runner and that equals lots of blitzes for him.
 
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KBVol said:
BS! You're not ish!! You're here because of one African-American player, not because you have ANY affection or allegiance to the program or university. I've been a diehard Tennessee fan much longer than you've even been alive son.

And then when you were flipping off the program and university because Brent Schaeffer wasn't playing and then pulling for other teams altogether because they weren't winning, I was living and dying with them year after frustrating year.

You're evidently not smart enough to discern the point being made. You have NO EARTHLY IDEA about our series with Florida, NONE, since you're not a fan and haven't witnessed/lived through it.

I'll be pulling for Tennessee, my Alama mater (and the soon to be alma mater of my first child) to beat the ever loving ish out of the Gators again this September, just like I have nearly every year since 1976.....while all you'll be doing is hoping against hope that Dobbs' passing numbers are good so you can come on here and pound your chest.......that's the extent of your "fandom". You know it, I know it....everybody on VN knows it. Your arrogance knows no bounds.
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A few weeks ago I asked why all the dislike towards d4h after this thread I see what others think/say, it's why I just read, learn, and laugh, and with that, good afternoon, good evening, and good night
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I actually think the gators will be a worse team this year.

They lost a lot of talent. Don't have a QB and play a tough schedule.

I would put a lot of money on it that they don't win 10 games like last season.
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He never said UF will have a better record than last season. He said they will have a better roster than they did. Two completely different things
 
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99gator said:
I'm not going to go into detail now, but I can later if you like.

Last season, they had a bunch of freshman and a transfer from Fordham playing on the o-line. They had a field goal kicker who couldn't kick the ball over the line of scrimmage.

Saying they will be better "on paper" really isn't a stretch.

The whole "year 2" thing is something that a lot of people casually dismiss as well.

I know people will ignore it because of things KBVol posts regarding Florida, but he can tell you what I thought of Florida's talent level last year.

So, considering the source (me), the argument that the team will be better is not surprising because I argued it was the worst Gator roster I have seen since the late 80's which were effected by probation.
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On paper gators are defintely better than last season. O-line can't get any worse, yall have a good kicker, run game should be better. If Callaway returns to the team, the WR's will defintely be better. Defense will be good once again. Del Rio can't be worse than Harris. If Del Rio can have a good season and yall have someone step up for Neal and Bullard yall could run the table in the east. Also, like you said year 2 makes a big difference.

Last year UF was my east sleeper team and they are this year again.


My brother in-law is a UF fan so I know some stuff about the gators lol
 
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Smokey123 said:
On paper gators are defintely better than last season. O-line can't get any worse, yall have a good kicker, run game should be better. If Callaway returns to the team, the WR's will defintely be better. Defense will be good once again. Del Rio can't be worse than Harris. If Del Rio can have a good season and yall have someone step up for Neal and Bullard yall could run the table in the east. Also, like you said year 2 makes a big difference.

Last year UF was my east sleeper team and they are this year again.


My brother in-law is a UF fan so I know some stuff about the gators lol
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- Florida's 2012 recruiting class was rated #4 in the country by 247s composite rankings. Those guys are now almost all gone.

- Florida's 2013 recruiting class was rated #3. And most of the highest rated guys from that class(i.e. Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson) are gone to the NFL.

- Their 2014 class was rated #9. Those guys will be juniors this season.

- Their 2015 class was rated #21. They will be sophomores this season.

- And finally their 2016 class was #13. They will be freshmen this season.


I don't know how you can lose 2 top 5 classes and replace them with class outside the top 10 and expect to be better.

I think this is wishful thinking by Florida fans similar to the wishful thinking of Vols fans the last 7-8 years in thinking that you can compete with subpar talent.

I think Florida takes a step back this year. They were significantly more talented ON PAPER last season.
 
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99gator said:
I'm not going to go into detail now, but I can later if you like.

Last season, they had a bunch of freshman and a transfer from Fordham playing on the o-line. They had a field goal kicker who couldn't kick the ball over the line of scrimmage.

Saying they will be better "on paper" really isn't a stretch.

The whole "year 2" thing is something that a lot of people casually dismiss as well.

I know people will ignore it because of things KBVol posts regarding Florida, but he can tell you what I thought of Florida's talent level last year.

So, considering the source (me), the argument that the team will be better is not surprising because I argued it was the worst Gator roster I have seen since the late 80's which were effected by probation.
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You lost 2 top 5 classes and replaced them with 2 class outside the top 10.

Really hard for me to see you guys getting better.

I think you understimate the talent of the guys who left. Bullard, Hargreaves, and Neal could be stars in the NFL. Kelvin Taylor is a really good RB.

Those 4 won't be easy to replace. Especially with less than stellar recruiting in 2015 and 2016.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
- Florida's 2012 recruiting class was rated #4 in the country by 247s composite rankings. Those guys are now almost all gone.

- Florida's 2013 recruiting class was rated #3. And most of the highest rated guys from that class(i.e. Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson) are gone to the NFL.

- Their 2014 class was rated #9. Those guys will be juniors this season.

- Their 2015 class was rated #21. They will be sophomores this season.

- And finally their 2016 class was #13. They will be freshmen this season.


I don't know how you can lose 2 top 5 classes and replace them with class outside the top 10 and expect to be better.

I think this is wishful thinking by Florida fans similar to the wishful thinking of Vols fans the last 7-8 years in thinking that you can compete with subpar talent.

I think Florida takes a step back this year. They were significantly more talented ON PAPER last season.
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Solid post... Alex McCalister hasn't even been mentioned but he was a very good pass rusher for Florida (though that's pretty much all he did) and had a sack in the 1st quarter vs Tenn last year. They had 7 players drafted and will have a 1st year starting QB with questions remaining about their offensive line. I think too much is being made of their defense anyway considering how they looked in their last game. Michigan had 225 yards rushing and 278 yards passing. I don't see how our Gator friends can say they are better on paper than last year - for whatever that even means.
 
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Florida has some serious issues on on offense and some gaps on D with all the talent they lost. If they take a step back this year and only win 7-8 games, how much heat will be on mcelwain??? Florida is paying him huge money to get the program back to the quality that meyer had in those title years. I think their fans are tired of being middle tier in the SEC, especially those 3 blowout losses at the end of the year.
 
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Florida is no worse than an 8-4 team this year. if the QB question gets answered and they don't completely drop off the map on defense, they can be better.

there's really not a ton of questions about FL. the O line will be at least marginally better (remember how bad our 2014 O line was?) the d isn't gonna suck, it just might not be all world elite like last year.

not to say i expect FL to repeat as SEC E winners....but i don't think they're going to be a push over 6-6 type team either.

more reason why that game on 9-24 is so big. the winner really sets a tone for how the rest of the season can go. the loser....has ground to cover.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I didn't say that he did... but his statement that they are either better in parts or a year older in others can be said about most college teams including Tennessee. That's not insight. His argument that they won't miss Hargreaves is also highly debatable. I'm glad he's gone.
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What did you expect? KB has to come to the defense of UF at opportunity presented him. It's what he does.
 
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Beat them by 1 or 100, it doesn't matter to me. A win in this series would just do wonders for confidence in both the team and in the fanbase.

This is a huge game for many reasons. It essentially establishes the East paradigm for the rest of the season. If Tennessee can pull out the win, then Butch finally has his best win to date, gets the Florida monkey off his back, and has proved he can take down the big boys. It gives you a huge momentum boost into the next week at Georgia.

But if you lose this game, Florida takes the early lead and you place your East hopes in their hands. Unfortunately, negativity will begin to seep back into the program, and questions about Butch will be raised and this will cause the team to go into the Georgia game with a little extra pressure. I don't think it can be stated enough just how big this game is for numerous reasons. Get the win. That is all that matters.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Unless you were actually talking about a software company or a hunting preserve in Newport, Maine, then no, I was not.
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None of that. I was referring to the wrong use of "your" in the same post.

It was a trick bag.

42-17 would be a nice comfortable score too.

Go Vols!
 
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I don't think Vols can win this close, so it will either be another Gator miracle one point win or the Vols will annihilate them similar to 1990. I'm thinking the latter is more probable given the relative strengths of the teams and it being in Knoxville. Hoping its a 7:30 pm ESPN game.
 
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To gain some ratings juice, I hope butch really runs it up against florida---a 17-24 point margin would look good to voters!
 
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VolsRule said:
To gain some ratings juice, I hope butch really runs it up against florida---a 17-24 point margin would look good to voters!
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Just winning the game will be enough. It's Sept. Voters don't tend to look at scores (unless you struggle with bad teams) as much as record when Nov. rolls around.
 
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VersaceButch said:
Beat them by 1 or 100, it doesn't matter to me. A win in this series would just do wonders for confidence in both the team and in the fanbase.

This is a huge game for many reasons. It essentially establishes the East paradigm for the rest of the season. If Tennessee can pull out the win, then Butch finally has his best win to date, gets the Florida monkey off his back, and has proved he can take down the big boys. It gives you a huge momentum boost into the next week at Georgia.

But if you lose this game, Florida takes the early lead and you place your East hopes in their hands. Unfortunately, negativity will begin to seep back into the program, and questions about Butch will be raised and this will cause the team to go into the Georgia game with a little extra pressure. I don't think it can be stated enough just how big this game is for numerous reasons. Get the win. That is all that matters.
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If we win this game I think we go 3-1 over that 4 game stretch. If we lose this game I think we go 0-4 over that stretch. Momentum is huge and this game either puts it on our side or destroys it
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
- Florida's 2012 recruiting class was rated #4 in the country by 247s composite rankings. Those guys are now almost all gone.

- Florida's 2013 recruiting class was rated #3. And most of the highest rated guys from that class(i.e. Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson) are gone to the NFL.

- Their 2014 class was rated #9. Those guys will be juniors this season.

- Their 2015 class was rated #21. They will be sophomores this season.

- And finally their 2016 class was #13. They will be freshmen this season.


I don't know how you can lose 2 top 5 classes and replace them with class outside the top 10 and expect to be better.

I think this is wishful thinking by Florida fans similar to the wishful thinking of Vols fans the last 7-8 years in thinking that you can compete with subpar talent.

I think Florida takes a step back this year. They were significantly more talented ON PAPER last season.
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Recruiting classes aren't everything lol. Nor does it mean how well of a roster you have. UF is an all-around better team. UT's 2012 team was more talented than our 2013 team, but our 13 team was arguably just as good because of a better defense and run game. Heck, our 2012 team was more talented than our 2014 team since our 2014 was made up of freshman. That 2014 still had a better all-around roster and would beat the 2012 team tho
 
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