Who's Job Is It?

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PMC2726

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Question -- who's job is it REALLY to make sure the proper number and correct players hit the field? I would imagine there's a different assistant coach on both offense and defense?

I know Wilcox is the DC, so it's ultimately his responsibility (actually, it's ultimately CDD's as the head coach), but in reality it's not like Wilcox is responsible for sitting there during the game counting the number of guys leaving sidelines, right? Whose job is that? Is it a specific assistant on offense/defense or is done "by committee"?

Any insight would be most appreciated. No calls for firings necessary. Just want to get the facts of who should be doing what on the sidelines. Thanks. :hi:

GBO
 
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The coaches have to communicate what package they want to the players for each down then the players have to communicate with each other who's in and who's out based on what they had been doing in practice and all throughout every play but the very last one, it just broke down somewhere in the chaos
 
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I'm thinking they assign it to a position coach, but I wouldnt know for sure.
 
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snake5040 said:
I'm thinking they assign it to a position coach, but I wouldnt know for sure.
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Multiple people should be yelling out the defensive personnel/package once it is announced, D Coordinator and position coaches, then the players gotta communicate on the field and get the st!* straight
 
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I know Wilcox and ultimatley Dooley are responsible but honestly it was probably a position coach mistake. However, given the situation I also blame the players somewhat. In that situation UT would have been stupid to call a timeout with the clock running down just to fix the situation if any coach did in fact even notice the 13 players....

I doubt any of the extra players could have heard a coaches scream to get off the field in that enviroment. But in my opinion, at some point, as one of the "extra players", something should have gone through their mind such as "what position am I playing, this doesn't look or feel right." I've been in a similar situation as a player and I noticed. It looked as if we had too many D-lineman, though I'm not positive. Every player has an assignment and they should realize if another person is out there in their place sharing their assignment. jmo. But it was a chaotic and unorthodox situation, I give them that. This one hurts
 
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This guy .


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There's a bunch of people(players included) who should know how many players are on the field....but ultimately it falls on Wilcox, the D coordinator
 
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Lizzard28 said:
Multiple people should be yelling out the defensive personnel/package once it is announced, D Coordinator and position coaches, then the players gotta communicate on the field and get the st!* straight
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I think you've hit on what I'm getting at. I'm just wondering if the calls go from Wilcox to each position coach and then each position coach is responsible for making sure that the right number of players are on the field for whatever D package is called.

More to the point, if that's the case, I'm wondering if anyone has been able to go back and determine whether the breakdown the last couple of games has been caused by the same unit or if the blame can be shared? In other words, are the TE's (and therefore the TE coach) or the defensive line (and therefore the D line coach) causing this? Obviously, if it's the same unit that has produced 10 men and now 13 men on the field, it will be easier to correct the problem.

I'm also wondering whether any other college or pro teams have an asst. coach whose main job during games is simply to make sure that there are the correct number of players on the field? I know things need to move quickly on the sidelines, but it would almost seem to make sense for the near future to have some kind of gatekeeper who's only real job during the game is to make sure we have the right personnel on the field.
 
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Anyone who says it was a coach's mistake doesn't understand how subs work. A substitution package is called. Players are responsible to know which packages they are in, and to get there. The problem was clearly the package wasn't completely communicated on the field, due to the confusion.
 
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IPorange said:
Anyone who says it was a coach's mistake doesn't understand how subs work. A substitution package is called. Players are responsible to know which packages they are in, and to get there. The problem was clearly the package wasn't completely communicated on the field, due to the confusion.
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When a substitution package is called, are the players on the field getting that info from other defensive players who are running on the field or from the coaches on the sideline? I thought the coaches and players used hand signals to determine the package and it's up to the players on the field to keep an eye on the sideline to make sure they know what's going on. Is that not correct?

Can you please provide more detail about what you mean when you say "the package wasn't completely communicated on the field, due to the confusion." I'm not trying to dense --- as you can see from the posts on this thread, no one is really giving me a specific answer.
 
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PMC2726 said:
When a substitution package is called, are the players on the field getting that info from other defensive players who are running on the field or from the coaches on the sideline? I thought the coaches and players used hand signals to determine the package and it's up to the players on the field to keep an eye on the sideline to make sure they know what's going on. Is that not correct?

Can you please provide more detail about what you mean when you say "the package wasn't completely communicated on the field, due to the confusion." I'm not trying to dense --- as you can see from the posts on this thread, no one is really giving me a specific answer.
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It should start with the D Coordinator yelling the package out, then he'll give the play call and the play will get signaled in to the Middle linebacker, while the play is getting signaled in position coaches and the strength coach should be yelling out the package to the sideline and the field. Players in that package who are on the sideline should then run to the field yelling the package out as well, players who are not in the package need to get the heck off the field asap. That personnel communication broke down somewhere along the way
 
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It's whoever you want to blame it on. Either Wilcox for choosing to change the D, Waggner for running onto the field and proclaiming the D had been changed, the two that were supposed to run off, the refs for probably not giving them enough time to run off the field, even if they wanted to, LSU's QB for actually snapping the ball, or just Dooley for being a head coach.
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They should have a kid on every play double as a counter. They do it in the pros why not in college.
 
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Communications broke down when they started slamming their headsets to the ground on the 4th and 13 give-away, the PI call in the end zone, etc.. We'll learn from it, and move on.. :(
 
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KC-TN said:
Communications broke down when they started slamming their headsets to the ground on the 4th and 13 give-away, the PI call in the end zone, etc.. We'll learn from it, and move on.. :(
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You can bet your bottom buck, there was a coach or assistant somewhere yelling 'Get off the field!!'
Oh my, if we'd just had one time out left.

But, wasn't that win sweet for just a few seconds.
I'm going to cut the last part off of my tape and cherish this as one of the greatest wins of all time!

And be happy in my delusion.
 
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