Whoa National Guard Troops going to Memphis

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McDad said:
I wasn't trying to tell much or support an ideological position. I was adding what I knew about people carrying in areas of concern. I also provided the area because I don't know how that area compares to the areas you shared.

From context, I gather Farragut isn't a dangerous area but I know nothing of Farragut.
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Sorry. For some reason, I thought you lived in Knoxville.
 
#128
#128
MontyPython said:
So sending in the NG is your ideal long term solution to crime?

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Pretty confident local policemen are more skilled at law enforcement than roused up part-time pseudo-military folks thrust into a foreign town.

Like DC, the NG will ultimately be a temporary trash pick up and beautification crew in Memphis. Your tax dollars at work.

Yet another publicity stunt by the Orange Menace.
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Terming enforcing the law, removing criminals, and safer communities a "publicity stunt" is why Democrats can't be trusted with domestic or national security.

No one has proposed them as a long-term solution. In DC for example, their term is August - December 2025. The joint task force is there to improve conditions and then the local and state governments has a better basis to work from. It will then be up to the local and state governments to commit to maintaining those conditions.

"A foreign town"? Do you complain about them responding to disaster areas, that we're using 'foreigners' to help Americans? They are Americans.

Again - they are there in DC in a support role to MPD and federal agents who perform LE duties. Exactly the sort sort of domestic role they are trained for. VN Democrats don't seem aware the NG has a civil component.

In fact, DC MPD, the NG has had a joint drug Counterdrug task force with MPD since 1989. An excerpt from most recent annual report: https://dc.ng.mil/Public-Affairs/Ne...ts-of-dc-national-guards-counterdrug-program/

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"The DC National Guard Counterdrug Program, an enduring initiative since 1989, supports law enforcement agencies and community organizations in combating illegal drug trafficking and abuse. National Guard members, specially trained in intelligence analysis, surveillance, and interdiction, work alongside these agencies to enhance their operational capabilities. The program also emphasizes community-based prevention and drug education initiatives.

U.S. Air Force Senior Master Sgt. Ozzie Paternostro, Counterdrug Operations Noncommissioned Officer In Charge (NCOIC), highlighted the ongoing partnership between the DC National Guard and the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). This collaboration has led to the deployment of skilled criminal analysts from the National Guard to assist MPD.

U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Stephen Ferry, a Senior Criminal Analyst for the Counterdrug Program, reported on the expansion of the program's personnel. Staff Sgt. Ferry initially served as the sole criminal analyst for the team but now is one of six analysts collaborating with the Metropolitan Police Department's Violent Crime Team. Together, they utilize advanced data analysis and intelligence-gathering to enhance efforts in combating drug-related crimes. Additionally, the Drug Demand Reduction Outreach (DDRO) team has expanded to six members, strengthening its partnership with MPD's community outreach team to support drug prevention education from youth to seniors."
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Oh...the sheer tyranny!
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
The federal government nor the NG will fix the crime problem in any city.

Change must start from within. Once the citizens become tired of the crime then they will begin to fix it.
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Citizens are already tired of crime and are locked into ideological boxes. You can't envision what you don't find evidence for.

They (Fed/NG) don't have to fix it, but merely show that it can be substantially better. Demonstrate that, and people have evidence that it can be so, and question the construct of the box. That's the basis for change.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
The federal government nor the NG will fix the crime problem in any city.

Change must start from within. Once the citizens become tired of the crime then they will begin to fix it.
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I'm sure that the law abiding, self-sufficient residents of Frayser, Orange Mound, Hickory Hill and Village Park-Oakhaven are already tired of the crime in their communities.

How do those citizens go about fixing it though? The law abiding citizens are usually just as poor and unskilled as the criminals .... but they have good moral values and they work hard to maintain low paying jobs.

Simply saying "they will begin to fix it" is the kind of statement that is very easy to make, but it's completely abstract.

Specifically, what do they need to do to in order to fix it? The problems facing poverty stricken communities are complex.
 
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MontyPython said:
Novel concept 😆. Why didn't they think of that?

Problem is ramping up law enforcement doesn't address the long term root *causes* of violent crime - namely poverty and economic inequality. Until these are addressed, crime will continue.
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Eradicate them all if that’s the case.
 
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NCFisher said:
Citizens are already tired of crime and are locked into ideological boxes. You can't envision what you don't find evidence for.

They (Fed/NG) don't have to fix it, but merely show that it can be substantially better. Demonstrate that, and people have evidence that it can be so, and question the construct of the box. That's the basis for change.
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This is also just speaking in the abstract.

When you say that "... people have evidence that it can be so, and question the construct of the box," what are you talking about?

What specific course(s) of action do the law abiding citizens in these high crime areas need to take?
 
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NCFisher said:
Citizens are already tired of crime and are locked into ideological boxes. You can't envision what you don't find evidence for.

They (Fed/NG) don't have to fix it, but merely show that it can be substantially better. Demonstrate that, and people have evidence that it can be so, and question the construct of the box. That's the basis for change.
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If they were truly tired of crime then why would vote for someone tough on crime
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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As a long time Memphis resident...the real problem is with our criminal justice system. The police here do a pretty decent job of arresting criminals, but judges give them low bails and our DA's office overall doesn't do the best job prosecuting. Criminals have a revolving door. There are some issues with organized crime as well.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
If they were truly tired of crime then why would vote for someone tough on crime
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It's been too easy to run as a DEI candidate in DC, for example, whether city council, mayor, judge, or police commish, and they've not had to produce.

The drops in violent crime there can't be ignored and if that continues into December when the task force project concludes, you then have a new standard that can't be ignored.

That creates the space - whether Dem, Moderate, or Repub - to run on an actual rule of law and safe neighborhoods platform. Asking the question against the evidence "do you want to go back, or do you want more of this?".

@BowlBrother85 I think this responds to your post.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL!

If my suspicions are correct, the members of the National Guard will mostly be seen "patrolling" Beale St and Cooper-Young (Midtown) ..... and that will tell us everything we need to know about the true nature of the deployment :

It's just another publicity stunt, that won't change a thing.
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That's what I posted in numerous posts in this thread. They will patrol the lower crime tourist areas that will free up local LEO and State/Feds to focus on the high crime/problem areas the way they did in DC.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure that the law abiding, self-sufficient residents of Frayser, Orange Mound, Hickory Hill and Village Park-Oakhaven are already tired of the crime in their communities.
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I’m sure they are, but what are they doing to fix it?
BowlBrother85 said:
How do those citizens go about fixing it though? The law abiding citizens are usually just as poor and unskilled as the criminals .... but they have good moral values and they work hard to maintain low paying jobs.
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1.Voting for a politician that is tough on crime. 2. Snitching on the criminals.
2. Neighborhood watch programs
BowlBrother85 said:
Simply saying "they will begin to fix it" is the kind of statement that is very easy to make, but it's completely abstract.
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Do you believe that the NG or Federal government will fix it?
BowlBrother85 said:
Specifically, what do they need to do to in order to fix it? The problems facing poverty stricken communities are complex.
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Answered above
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure that the law abiding, self-sufficient residents of Frayser, Orange Mound, Hickory Hill and Village Park-Oakhaven are already tired of the crime in their communities.

How do those citizens go about fixing it though? The law abiding citizens are usually just as poor and unskilled as the criminals .... but they have good moral values and they work hard to maintain low paying jobs.

Simply saying "they will begin to fix it" is the kind of statement that is very easy to make, but it's completely abstract.

Specifically, what do they need to do to in order to fix it? The problems facing poverty stricken communities are complex.
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Good point. High crime also factors against private investment, and encourages disinvestment. And as another Memphis VN member mentioned, the criminal justice system there is broken. Without doing a deep-dive, I'll bet DC is, too.

Obama, Trump, and Biden admins have all seen FBI sounding the alarm on the transnational gangs. I don't know what portion of crime they represent in DC and Memphis, for example, but these people - and any criminal alien - we can remove from the country, and eliminate those victimizations.
How will the local or state officials handle or process the native-born criminals is up to them, and their constituents' approval of that handling.

I'm 100% better physically than when I started a fitness and nutrition program, but perhaps 70% where I want to be. After several failed attempts to play guitar, I found a process that's working for me. There's light in the tunnel. People often need to see the possibility in a thing, to get the feet moving and keep the next foot falling.

The federal government can't fix Anywhere USA, but can work with it to see the destination, get moving and dislodge the stagnant mind. I think it is the most perfect role for the federal relationship.
 
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