Whoa National Guard Troops going to Memphis

[CagleMtnVol]

So sending in the NG is your ideal long term solution to crime?



Pretty confident local policemen are more skilled at law enforcement than roused up part-time pseudo-military folks thrust into a foreign town.

Like DC, the NG will ultimately be a temporary trash pick up and beautification crew in Memphis. Your tax dollars at work.

Yet another publicity stunt by the Orange Menace.

So you don't think the Memphis PD, Shelby Co. Sheriff's Dept., THP and any Fed agencies on the ground will be doing anything while the NG is there?

 

[MontyPython]

So you don't think the Memphis PD, Shelby Co. Sheriff's Dept., THP and any Fed agencies on the ground will be doing anything while the NG is there?

Of course they will. My point is the NG will only be there temporarily, right?

So what happens when they leave?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Great……

Glad I moved to Germantown.

I lived in Cordova in 2006-2007, while working at the First Tennessee Bartlett Main Office.

The crime rate was always astronomical, but I never felt unsafe or even ill-at-ease there. You just have to know where to avoid, and quite frankly .... that shouldn't be hard for anyone to figure out.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump is about to save more black lives than the entire existence of Black Lives Matter.

LOL!

If my suspicions are correct, the members of the National Guard will mostly be seen "patrolling" Beale St and Cooper-Young (Midtown) ..... and that will tell us everything we need to know about the true nature of the deployment :

It's just another publicity stunt, that won't change a thing.

 

[McDad]

Really? Is the NG staying forever? What happens when their stint is over... will criminals have learned their lesson and fly right? Come on now.

Dog and pony show.

You're like a child throwing a tantrum because you're not getting your way. Does the lady living on the street with weekly shootings care it is temporary? No. She's grateful for the reprieve. When the deterrent is removed, the leaders who have failed their constituency will have a decision to make. Let's hope they make the right ones.

 

[McDad]

There will be citizens that welcome the reprieve provided from the daily chaos and violence the live in.

Can’t say I necessarily approve, and it’s certainly not sustainable.

If the almost assured drop in crime that follows the deployment serves to guilt/shame/force the city to get serious about combating crime - would you consider it a worthwhile endeavor?

Generally, yes I would. Will also add if the people in that area have hope increased safety is possible, perhaps there will be an additional grassroots effort to make it better.

 

[MontyPython]

You're like a child throwing a tantrum because you're not getting your way. Does the lady living on the street with weekly shootings care it is temporary? No. She's grateful for the reprieve. When the deterrent is removed, the leaders who have failed their constituency will have a decision to make. Let's hope they make the right ones.

When you say that when the NG leaves, 'failed leaders' will have a decision to make, what do you mean by that specifically?

 

[McDad]

When you say that when the NG leaves, 'failed leaders' will have a decision to make, what do you mean by that specifically?

The local and state leaders who have failed to tamp down violent crime. Law enforcement is a local issue. It is their responsibility. Abdication of that responsibility has ripple effects beyond crime stats.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I lived in Cordova in 2006-2007, while working at the First Tennessee Bartlett Main Office.

The crime rate was always astronomical, but I never felt unsafe or even ill-at-ease there. You just have to know where to avoid, and quite frankly .... that shouldn't be hard for anyone to figure out.

Were you packing heat back then?

 

[MontyPython]

The local and state leaders who have failed to tamp down violent crime. Law enforcement is a local issue. It is their responsibility. Abdication of that responsibility has ripple effects beyond crime stats.

Novel concept . Why didn't they think of that?

Problem is ramping up law enforcement doesn't address the long term root *causes* of violent crime - namely poverty and economic inequality. Until these are addressed, crime will continue.

 

[McDad]

Novel concept . Why didn't they think of that?

Problem is ramping up law enforcement doesn't address the long term root *causes* of violent crime - namely poverty and economic inequality. Until these are addressed, crime will continue.

Perhaps you can illustrate how and where the presence of the National Guard addressed poverty and economic inequality to accomplish a reduction in violent crime ?

 

[85SugarVol]

I lived in Cordova in 2006-2007, while working at the First Tennessee Bartlett Main Office.

The crime rate was always astronomical, but I never felt unsafe or even ill-at-ease there. You just have to know where to avoid, and quite frankly .... that shouldn't be hard for anyone to figure out.

Well, obviously.

I’ve been here for over 15 years now, 13 of which were in MidTown in the heart of the city. The list of places to avoid has only grown over the years.

 

[jvol1]

Memphis police cannot nor had ever gotten it under control since about the 1970s .. try getting off the interstate and driving around I dare you I have family in Collierville and I ain’t doing it.. Downtown, Brownsville, no bueno

I lived in midtown for 10 years and never personally experienced any crime. It's not quite what you want to make it out to be. The gangs tend to commit crimes against each other. For the normies, it's about like any other city. Not using the military doesnt mean not reinforcing the locals with fbi and/or tbi to help reduce crime. No place in the country is bad enough to require martial law at the moment.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Don't let facts get in the way of racism...

Little Rock, Cleveland, Kansas City.

Each city has 3x to 3.5x the number of white people versus black people.


### Latest Racial Demographics for Metro Little Rock, Arkansas

The Little Rock metropolitan area, officially the Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), includes six counties: Faulkner, Grant, Hot Spring, Lonoke, Pulaski, and Saline. As of the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2023 (released in 2024), the total population of the MSA is approximately 771,000. This reflects a growth of about 23,000 people (or roughly 3%) from 2020, driven primarily by net in-migration (+20,352) and natural increase (+2,289). Detailed racial and ethnic breakdowns are primarily from the American Community Survey (ACS) 2022 5-year estimates (covering 2018–2022 data, released in late 2023), as full 2023 ACS data is not yet available. Preliminary 2023 trends suggest continued stability in proportions, with slight growth in multiracial and Hispanic populations. The table below summarizes the most recent available demographics, based on ACS 2022 data. Percentages are of the total population and may not sum to 100% due to rounding and small "other" categories.

| Race/Ethnicity | Percentage of Population | Approximate Number (2023 est.) | Notes/Source |
|---------------------------------|--------------------------|--------------------------------|-------------|
| White alone (non-Hispanic) | 66.5% | ~513,115 | Largest group; stable but slight decline in share due to overall diversification. ACS 2022. |
| Black or African American alone (non-Hispanic) | 22.8% | ~175,788 | Concentrated in Pulaski County (urban core); stable share. ACS 2022. |
| Hispanic or Latino (any race) | 7.2% | ~55,512 | Growing due to migration; includes all races. ACS 2022. |
| Asian alone (non-Hispanic) | 1.8% | ~13,878 | Increasing with economic opportunities in healthcare and logistics. ACS 2022. |
| Two or More Races (non-Hispanic) | 1.5% | ~11,565 | Rose significantly post-2020 Census changes; multiracial identification up ~244% in city proper from 2010. ACS 2022. |
| Other races (e.g., Some Other Race, alone; non-Hispanic) | 0.5% | ~3,855 | Small category. ACS 2022. |
| American Indian/Alaska Native alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.4% | ~3,084 | ACS 2022. |
| Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.1% | ~771 | ACS 2022. |

#### Key Insights:
- **Overall Trends**: The MSA is predominantly White (non-Hispanic), but it has a notably higher Black population share than the national average (13.6%), reflecting historical patterns in the urban core (e.g., Little Rock city is ~42% Black). Diversity is increasing modestly, with Hispanic and multiracial groups growing fastest, driven by in-migration to Central Arkansas. The metro's growth outpaces many U.S. regions, with Pulaski County (home to ~60% of the MSA population) adding the most residents.
- **Data Sources and Limitations**: Percentages are derived from the U.S. Census Bureau's ACS 2022 5-year estimates for the MSA (aggregated from data.census.gov and reports like Metroplan's 2024 Demographic Review). The 2023 population total comes from Census Vintage 2023 estimates and Metroplan projections (as of January 1, 2024). Full 2023 racial breakdowns will be available in the 2023 ACS 1-year estimates (expected late 2024) or 5-year estimates (2025). Other sources like Census Reporter (ACS 2023 1-year preliminary) confirm similar proportions for the metro (e.g., ~66% White non-Hispanic, 23% Black non-Hispanic, 7% Hispanic).
- **Comparisons**: Compared to the U.S. overall (2023: ~58% White non-Hispanic, 13% Black non-Hispanic, 19% Hispanic), the Little Rock MSA is less Hispanic but more Black-dominant, aligning with Southern metro trends.

For the most up-to-date or county-level breakdowns, refer to the U.S. Census Bureau's data portal at data.census.gov or Metroplan's reports.




### Latest Racial Demographics for Metro Cleveland, Ohio

The Cleveland metropolitan area, officially the Cleveland-Elyria, OH Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), includes five counties: Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain, and Medina. As of the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2023 (released in 2024), the total population of the MSA is approximately 2,059,254. This reflects a slight decline of about 0.4% from 2022 (2,068,000), continuing a long-term trend of modest population loss due to out-migration, partially offset by natural increase. Detailed racial and ethnic breakdowns are primarily from the American Community Survey (ACS) 2022 5-year estimates (covering 2018–2022 data, released in late 2023), as full 2023 ACS data is not yet available. Preliminary trends from ACS 2023 1-year estimates indicate stable proportions, with minor growth in Hispanic and multiracial categories. The table below summarizes the most recent available demographics, based on ACS 2022 data adjusted for 2023 population totals. Percentages are of the total population and may not sum to 100% due to rounding and small "other" categories. (Note: Non-Hispanic categories exclude those identifying as Hispanic/Latino; Hispanic/Latino is an ethnicity that can overlap with any race.)

| Race/Ethnicity | Percentage of Population | Approximate Number (2023 est.) | Notes/Source |
|---------------------------------|--------------------------|--------------------------------|-------------|
| White alone (non-Hispanic) | 67.5% | ~1,390,000 | Predominant group; stable share with suburban concentration. ACS 2022 5-year. |
| Black or African American alone (non-Hispanic) | 20.5% | ~422,000 | Significant urban presence in Cuyahoga County; stable. ACS 2022 5-year. |
| Hispanic or Latino (any race) | 7.5% | ~154,000 | Growing due to migration; includes all races. ACS 2022 5-year; up from 6.5% in 2020. |
| Asian alone (non-Hispanic) | 2.2% | ~45,000 | Increasing with professional sectors (e.g., healthcare). ACS 2022 5-year. |
| Two or More Races (non-Hispanic) | 2.0% | ~41,000 | Rising post-2020 Census changes. ACS 2022 5-year. |
| Other races (e.g., Some Other Race, alone; non-Hispanic) | 0.5% | ~10,000 | Small category. ACS 2022 5-year. |
| American Indian/Alaska Native alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.2% | ~4,000 | ACS 2022 5-year. |
| Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.1% | ~2,000 | ACS 2022 5-year. |

#### Key Insights:
- **Overall Trends**: The MSA is majority White (non-Hispanic), but it has a higher Black population share than the national average (13.6%), largely concentrated in the urban core (e.g., Cleveland city is ~48% Black). Diversity is increasing slowly, with Hispanic (primarily Puerto Rican and Mexican) and Asian groups growing due to immigration and economic opportunities in manufacturing, healthcare, and education. The metro's population decline is most pronounced in Cuyahoga County, while suburbs like Medina see gains.
- **Data Sources and Limitations**: Percentages are derived from the U.S. Census Bureau's ACS 2022 5-year estimates for the MSA (aggregated from data.census.gov and reports like Census Reporter). The 2023 population total comes from Census Vintage 2023 estimates (June 2024 release). ACS 2023 1-year estimates (expected full release late 2024) show similar proportions (e.g., ~67% White non-Hispanic, 20% Black non-Hispanic, 8% Hispanic). Earlier data (e.g., 2020 Census: 68.5% White non-Hispanic, 19.8% Black non-Hispanic, 7.0% Hispanic) aligns closely, indicating stability. For county-level details, Cuyahoga County (core) is ~50% White non-Hispanic and 30% Black non-Hispanic.
- **Comparisons**: Compared to the U.S. overall (2023: ~58% White non-Hispanic, 13% Black non-Hispanic, 19% Hispanic), the Cleveland MSA is more White and Black-dominant but less Hispanic, typical of Rust Belt metros.

For the most up-to-date or county-level breakdowns, refer to the U.S. Census Bureau's data portal at data.census.gov or Census Reporter.




### Latest Racial Demographics for Metro Kansas City

The Kansas City metropolitan area, officially the Kansas City, MO-KS Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), includes 14 counties across Missouri and Kansas: Cass, Clay, Clinton, Jackson, Lafayette, Platte, and Ray in Missouri; and Johnson, Leavenworth, Linn, Miami, and Wyandotte in Kansas. As of the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2024 (released in 2025), the total population of the MSA is approximately 2,243,685. This reflects a growth of about 23,820 people (or 1.1%) from 2023, driven by net in-migration and natural increase. Detailed racial and ethnic breakdowns are primarily from the American Community Survey (ACS) 2023 1-year estimates (covering 2023 data, released in late 2024), with some adjustments from the 2019-2023 ACS 5-year estimates for stability. Percentages are of the total population and may not sum to 100% due to rounding and small "other" categories. (Note: Non-Hispanic categories exclude those identifying as Hispanic/Latino; Hispanic/Latino is an ethnicity that can overlap with any race.)

| Race/Ethnicity | Percentage of Population | Approximate Number (2024 est.) | Notes/Source |
|---------------------------------|--------------------------|--------------------------------|-------------|
| White alone (non-Hispanic) | 64.5% | ~1,448,000 | Predominant group; stable share with suburban growth in Johnson and Platte counties. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Black or African American alone (non-Hispanic) | 18.2% | ~408,000 | Concentrated in urban core (Jackson County); stable. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Hispanic or Latino (any race) | 11.8% | ~265,000 | Growing due to migration; includes all races, primarily Mexican origin. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Asian alone (non-Hispanic) | 2.6% | ~58,000 | Increasing with tech and healthcare sectors. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Two or More Races (non-Hispanic) | 2.5% | ~56,000 | Rising post-2020 Census changes in multiracial reporting. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Other races (e.g., Some Other Race, alone; non-Hispanic) | 0.4% | ~9,000 | Small category. ACS 2023 1-year. |
| American Indian/Alaska Native alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.3% | ~7,000 | ACS 2023 1-year. |
| Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander alone (non-Hispanic) | 0.1% | ~2,000 | ACS 2023 1-year. |

#### Key Insights:
- **Overall Trends**: The MSA is majority White (non-Hispanic), but diversity is increasing, with Hispanic and Asian populations growing fastest due to economic opportunities in logistics, manufacturing, and professional services. The Black population share remains significant, reflecting historical urban patterns (e.g., Kansas City, MO city is ~26% Black). Growth is concentrated in suburbs like Johnson County, KS, while the urban core sees more stability.
- **Data Sources and Limitations**: Percentages are derived from the U.S. Census Bureau's ACS 2023 1-year estimates for the MSA (via data.census.gov and Census Reporter). The 2024 population total comes from Census Vintage 2024 estimates (March 2025 release). The 2019-2023 ACS 5-year estimates show similar proportions (e.g., ~65% White non-Hispanic, 18% Black non-Hispanic, 12% Hispanic), indicating consistency. Full 2024 ACS data will be available in late 2025. For county-level details, Jackson County (core) is ~50% White non-Hispanic and 25% Black non-Hispanic.
- **Comparisons**: Compared to the U.S. overall (2024: ~57% White non-Hispanic, 13% Black non-Hispanic, 20% Hispanic), the Kansas City MSA is more White and Black-dominant but less Hispanic, aligning with Midwestern metro trends.

For the most up-to-date or county-level breakdowns, refer to the U.S. Census Bureau's data portal at data.census.gov or Census Reporter.

So what you’re saying is that white liberal women and men commit the majority of violent crimes? And black liberal women and men are second?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

The federal government nor the NG will fix the crime problem in any city.

Change must start from within. Once the citizens become tired of the crime then they will begin to fix it.

 

[Peradox1K]

Trump is about to save more black lives than the entire existence of Black Lives Matter.

About time. Send them to Chicago also.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Were you packing heat back then?

No .... but in the parts of the Greater Memphis area where I usually was (Cordova, Bartlett, Lakeland, Germantown, Collierville, Cooper-Young), it didn't seem necessary. There is a strong police presence in those communities. I would even say annoyingly strong in Germantown. The local police are pretty good at keeping crime away from the affluent areas. You are mostly just at risk for property crimes .... I did work with a lady who had 2 cars stolen within a few months of each other.

 

[McDad]

No .... but in the parts of the Greater Memphis area where I usually was (Cordova, Bartlett, Lakeland, Germantown, Collierville, Cooper-Young), it didn't seem necessary. There is a strong police presence in those communities. I would even say annoyingly strong in Germantown. The local police are pretty good at keeping crime away from the affluent areas. You are mostly just at risk for property crimes .... I did work with a lady who had 2 cars stolen within a few months of each other.

I don't know where the hospital is relative to the 'bad' areas, but a pediatrician at my church carried a firearm in his car as he drove to and from residency. He is retired so this was a long time ago.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don't know where the hospital is relative to the 'bad' areas, but a pediatrician at my church carried a firearm in his car as he drove to and from residency. He is retired so this was a long time ago.

Mmmmkay .... I mean, that's great, but it doesn't tell us much.

I have a friend who has carried a gun in his car for over 20 years, and he lives and works in the cesspool of crime and gang land violence known as Farragut.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Mmmmkay .... I mean, that's great, but it doesn't tell us much.

I have a friend who has carried a gun in his car for over 20 years, and he lives and works in the cesspool of crime and gang land violence known as Farragut.

So what? What are the crime stats in Farragut vs Memphis. Memphis is consistently listed as the worst and most dangerous city in the entire country, and there are clear reasons why

 

[Rickyvol77]

No .... but in the parts of the Greater Memphis area where I usually was (Cordova, Bartlett, Lakeland, Germantown, Collierville, Cooper-Young), it didn't seem necessary. There is a strong police presence in those communities. I would even say annoyingly strong in Germantown. The local police are pretty good at keeping crime away from the affluent areas. You are mostly just at risk for property crimes .... I did work with a lady who had 2 cars stolen within a few months of each other.

“just property crimes”

 

[BowlBrother85]

So what? What are the crime stats in Farragut vs Memphis. Memphis is consistently listed as the worst and most dangerous city in the entire country, and there are clear reasons why

My point was only that some people just like to have a gun in their car, and it doesn't necessarily matter where they live and work.

 

[BowlBrother85]

“just property crimes”

I have acknowledged that the crime rate in Memphis is astronomical. It was when I lived in Cordova.

However, if you live, work and spend the majority of your leisure time in the areas that I mentioned (Cordova, Bartlett, Lakeland, Germantown, Collierville and Midtown), you are at greater risk of being the victim of a property crime than of being physically attacked.

 

[McDad]

Mmmmkay .... I mean, that's great, but it doesn't tell us much.

I have a friend who has carried a gun in his car for over 20 years, and he lives and works in the cesspool of crime and gang land violence known as Farragut.

I wasn't trying to tell much or support an ideological position. I was adding what I knew about people carrying in areas of concern. I also provided the area because I don't know how that area compares to the areas you shared.

From context, I gather Farragut isn't a dangerous area but I know nothing of Farragut.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

After thinking this over a bit, I'm not in favor. It seems designed to bring civilians into conflict with military which will escalate civil unrest instead of ease it. Having lived in Memphis for ten years, I'm in favor of anything that will help reduce crime, but it needs to be handled by law enforcement not military.

It's almost like using the military against citizens should be illegal......oh wait.....