Who Would You Have Hired?

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ChaucerVol

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First, let me preface this by saying I hope this is one of few threads throughout the history of this board that brings logical discussion.

Now to the post: For all you who dislike Dooley for his coaching record so far, I ask a simple question. Who did you want to take over the program when Kiffin left? For everyone who feels like answering with an ignorant answer such as "anyone" or "someone who wins", save your effort. That's a ridiculous answer.

I'll be willing to assume that your answer is not anyone who wasn't considered. No one, that I know of, was turned away because they wanted too much money and Hamilton was cheap. Note: Don't misconstrue this to assume I want Hamilton back. I never supported his Kiffin hire and think that alone was enough to pack his bags when Kiffin packed his.

I really want a name of someone you thought would have taken the helm in the middle of recruiting season with a program that was in shambles and done what Dooley has.

In a perfect world where a coach retires after a national championship, would Dooley have been my first choice? No, but that wasn't even close to reality.

What Dooley has done has been run a clean program, fought through a season full of injuries, recruited what I consider admirably and don't say I accept mediocrity because I don't. Dooley has also made strides throughout coaches coming and going.

Again, who would you have picked over Dooley that we know was even entertaining the idea of taking the job?

I don't know anyone you could answer who was a realistic possibility that anyone positively say would have a better record at this point.
 
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Kevin Sumlin. He was an affordable winner with a big time offense.

I will also point out your saying that no amount of money would have got ANY decent winning coach to come here is just you talking to hear yourself talk. You have NO IDEA who was offered and or who turned it down.

Alot of coaches in the Pac12, Big10, ACC, and other big conferences make a million dollars or less. If Hamilton would have had 2-3.5 million on the table, coaches would have been lining up to take it. "Ya wanna triple your salary and coach in the SEC"? "Naw, I might lose". LOL
 
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ChaucerVol said:
First, let me preface this by saying I hope this is one of few threads throughout the history of this board that brings logical discussion.

Now to the post: For all you who dislike Dooley for his coaching record so far, I ask a simple question. Who did you want to take over the program when Kiffin left? For everyone who feels like answering with an ignorant answer such as "anyone" or "someone who wins", save your effort. That's a ridiculous answer.

I'll be willing to assume that your answer is not anyone who wasn't considered. No one, that I know of, was turned away because they wanted too much money and Hamilton was cheap. Note: Don't misconstrue this to assume I want Hamilton back. I never supported his Kiffin hire and think that alone was enough to pack his bags when Kiffin packed his.

I really want a name of someone you thought would have taken the helm in the middle of recruiting season with a program that was in shambles and done what Dooley has.

In a perfect world where a coach retires after a national championship, would Dooley have been my first choice? No, but that wasn't even close to reality.

What Dooley has done has been run a clean program, fought through a season full of injuries, recruited what I consider admirably and don't say I accept mediocrity because I don't. Dooley has also made strides throughout coaches coming and going.

Again, who would you have picked over Dooley that we know was even entertaining the idea of taking the job?

I don't know anyone you could answer who was a realistic possibility that anyone positively say would have a better record at this point.
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Reasonably, I think Gary Patterson would have accepted IF Hamilton wasn't trying to find him in the Budget Rental Directory. I mean let's be real here. You are asking an already proven/established HC to move and lock horns every year with at least 3-4 coaches making roughly twice the salary that was offered to both Kiffin and Dooley. That's just insulting for a program of UT's stature. 3-3.5Mill/yr would likely have gotten Patterson's attention.

Even then, Sumlin would have easily been the better hire, and would have fit Hamilton's measily budget, too. Hamilton pulled a Daniel Lincoln and aimed for the turf instead of the goal posts.

I'll go a step further, if Dooley is indeed bought out after this season, then we need to offer Strong or Patterson no less than 3mill/yr. Trying to play hardarse with a lowball offer will just tick them off and sour negotiations from the start. Show them a base $3mill with major additional incentives for SECC's and NC's. Not only will that get them here, but unlike Hamilton's bungling of Kiffin's contract, it will keep them here (satisfied and with a steep buyout to leave).
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Reasonably, I think Gary Patterson would have accepted IF Hamilton wasn't trying to find him in the Budget Rental Directory. I mean let's be real here. You are asking an already proven/established HC to move and lock horns every year with at least 3-4 coaches making roughly twice the salary that was offered to both Kiffin and Dooley. That's just insulting for a program of UT's stature.

Even then, Sumlin would have easily been the better hire, and would have fit Hamilton's measily budget, too. Hamilton pulled a Daniel Lincoln and aimed for the turf instead of the goal posts.
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Do you think Patterson is a possibility now? Or do you think he was sufficiently insulted not to even take a phone call from Hart?
 
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I was really hoping they would get Troy Calhoun...He's kept Air Force playing well for quite awhile now and they love playing for him...He is a strict disciplinarian...I think he would have done well at UT.
 
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Patterson would require big money to get him here. He still has 6 years on his deal at TCU at about 3 million a year. The whole contract is guaranteed. He would make 18 million dollars if he lost the next 50 games. To get him to consider UT, your talking 4.25 a year for 5-6 years and it being guaranteed. Not sure Hart is looking for that type of deal.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Reasonably, I think Gary Patterson would have accepted IF Hamilton wasn't trying to find him in the Budget Rental Directory. I mean let's be real here. You are asking an already proven/established HC to move and lock horns every year with at least 3-4 coaches making roughly twice the salary that was offered to both Kiffin and Dooley. That's just insulting for a program of UT's stature.

Even then, Sumlin would have easily been the better hire, and would have fit Hamilton's measily budget, too. Hamilton pulled a Daniel Lincoln and aimed for the turf instead of the goal posts.
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So blame Hamilton. If someone offered you the same salary that Dooley was given for a CEO position would you turn it down bc you didn't feel qualified or would you ride the wave? I don't know if Dooley is going to get another year or not but I do believe he's given his best effort under qualified or not.
 
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Dooley had no business getting a gig like he walked into here. The man could walk away from Tennessee with 11+ million dollars. Don't tell me there were not other coaches would would have considered spending 3 years in Knoxville for 10+ million dollars.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Dooley had no business getting a gig like he walked into here. The man could walk away from Tennessee with 11+ million dollars. Don't tell me there were not other coaches would would have considered spending 3 years in Knoxville for 10+ million dollars.
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Evidently not Patterson, based on your past post.
 
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I was in favor of Kippy being interm coach and hiring a coach in the next off season.

If I had to pick one at the time it would have been Sumlin.
 
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In hindsight we was better off using Kippy as IHC at the time,if it meant losing our '10 recruiting class so be it,or else we would be having this discussion today! Just saying
 
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ChaucerVol said:
So blame Hamilton. If someone offered you the same salary that Dooley was given for a CEO position would you turn it down bc you didn't feel qualified or would you ride the wave? I don't know if Dooley is going to get another year or not but I do believe he's given his best effort under qualified or not.
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I'm not even sure what your point is. Hamilton had a low budget in mind. Why? Because he's strictly a numbers guy. Spend lavishly on upgrades for the rich suites (catering to the boosters) while nickel and diming HC candidates, as if they were a contractor bidding on a construction project. The HC is the pilot of your entire money-making operation. You DO NOT want to go budget shopping for such a position.

Don't want to over pay either, but again, whomever is brought in, is asked to compete and prevail over teams with coaches making twice the amount being offered.

That means you target HC's of the same caliber as those they are competing with. And you offer a commensurate salary for the responsibility assigned to them. Hamilton believed all the accolades given him from fans, praising him for hiring a diamond in the rough...in Bruce Pearl. That's fine for Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, etc. But NOT your money-maker. That is precisely where Hamilton screwed the pooch.

He put his chips on a coach with a last name people would recognize and was an assistant under Saban. Neither commended him as a qualified candidate for the job. Had Hamilton chosen Sumlin (who was qualified and a rising star among HC's), he might very well still be the AD. He went for the fools gold and now we are paying for it.
 
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volfan411 said:
I was in favor of Kippy being interm coach and hiring a coach in the next off season.

If I had to pick one at the time it would have been Sumlin.
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I would have supported a decision of an interim coach. Although, I think we can all agree that Hamilton was tossing up a hail mary in hopes to save his tail.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Patterson would require big money to get him here. He still has 6 years on his deal at TCU at about 3 million a year. The whole contract is guaranteed. He would make 18 million dollars if he lost the next 50 games. To get him to consider UT, your talking 4.25 a year for 5-6 years and it being guaranteed. Not sure Hart is looking for that type of deal.
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Did not know about Patterson's deal. So that's that. :closedeyes:
 
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