Who wanted to get rid of Fulmer?

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WesternKyVol said:
I think we can trace the problem back to two things.

1. Having 7 straight years of Randy Sanders at OC. He was not up to that job. Recruiting began to fall off. Discipline fell off. Fulmer should have made a change there after 2002 at tehe latest.

2. Fulmer tried to continually replicate 1998 conservative ball over and over again. It was like he enjoyed being in low-scoring defensive football games. He thrived on conservative play rather than roing for the jugular (something Cutcliffe was also guilty of once he came back and wouldn't throw the deep ball to Meachem) and in the end he got lapped by coaches who were willing to go for it.
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Absolutely this!! I would also add that it wasn't just the OC position Fulmer should have done a better job of filling. After we lost S&C coach Stuckey, he was replaced by a complete idiot. That made a huge difference IMO in the performance of those teams.
 
#78
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I am proud to say that I never wanted to fire Fulmer. He should have retired gracefully. I believe what happened (firing him in middle of season, Hiring Kiffin/going to USC) has lead to our downfall. I say we should at least see how this season plays out. I think Dooley has recruited some good players.
 
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VolMax said:
I am confused... :question:

Were the Fire Fulmer crowd what is now referred to as Negavols (or NegaDools)?

I thought it was time for CPF to go (thanks for the service, much respect, etc...) but now fall into the Sunshine Pumper category. I didn't think CPF could get us there. I realize that is what the NegaDools think now...but the rationale is totally different to me.

I see some lumping of the Fire Fulmer folks into the Fire Dooley Now crowd but don't get it.
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Phillip is avery good man but it was time. Dooley should never have been hired to begin with.
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Fulmer won with old man football. When he listened to everyone including Hammy about changing to a spread offense he screwed himself. The biggest mistake he made was hiring Clawson and listening to the pundits. Hiring Coach back would be a giant improvement over what we have now. I remember his last game when his players carried coach off the field I told my wife WE JUST SCREWED UP and I was one of you that was upset that was screaming for a change.
Having four years off to recharge your batteries is probably what Coach needed in reality. There is not a coach avaiable with his resume that is willing to lead us back to the top. Coach Majors never achieve stability until 1989 forward after he made CPF OC and assistant head coach look it up for yourselves I have. I will support my vols and DD but I am a realist. DD is not the coach Fulmer was.
 
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WinchesterVol said:
Fulmer won with old man football. When he listened to everyone including Hammy about changing to a spread offense he screwed himself. The biggest mistake he made was hiring Clawson and listening to the pundits. Hiring Coach back would be a giant improvement over what we have now. I remember his last game when his players carried coach off the field I told my wife WE JUST SCREWED UP and I was one of you that was upset that was screaming for a change.
Having four years off to recharge your batteries is probably what Coach needed in reality. There is not a coach avaiable with his resume that is willing to lead us back to the top. Coach Majors never achieve stability until 1989 forward after he made CPF OC and assistant head coach look it up for yourselves I have. I will support my vols and DD but I am a realist. DD is not the coach Fulmer was.
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Great post. Very few are the caliber of CPF.
 
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Getting rid of Fulmer was a mistake. Plain to see now.

Getting rid of Fulmer the way Hambone did was inexcusable and low class.

Getting rid of Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin's Daddy is actually the new definition of stupid in the Oxford English Dictionary.

We've just got to press-on now, and find our coach who doesn't need SEC-OJT. If rumors that Gruden is interested are true, it is a no-brainer. Tennessee needs that kind of name-recognition on the recruiting trails.
 
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WinchesterVol said:
Fulmer won with old man football. When he listened to everyone including Hammy about changing to a spread offense he screwed himself. The biggest mistake he made was hiring Clawson and listening to the pundits. Hiring Coach back would be a giant improvement over what we have now. I remember his last game when his players carried coach off the field I told my wife WE JUST SCREWED UP and I was one of you that was upset that was screaming for a change.
Having four years off to recharge your batteries is probably what Coach needed in reality. There is not a coach avaiable with his resume that is willing to lead us back to the top. Coach Majors never achieve stability until 1989 forward after he made CPF OC and assistant head coach look it up for yourselves I have. I will support my vols and DD but I am a realist. DD is not the coach Fulmer was.
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+1 and a bag of potato chips.
 
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WinchesterVol said:
Fulmer won with old man football. When he listened to everyone including Hammy about changing to a spread offense he screwed himself. The biggest mistake he made was hiring Clawson and listening to the pundits. Hiring Coach back would be a giant improvement over what we have now. I remember his last game when his players carried coach off the field I told my wife WE JUST SCREWED UP and I was one of you that was upset that was screaming for a change.
Having four years off to recharge your batteries is probably what Coach needed in reality. There is not a coach avaiable with his resume that is willing to lead us back to the top. Coach Majors never achieve stability until 1989 forward after he made CPF OC and assistant head coach look it up for yourselves I have. I will support my vols and DD but I am a realist. DD is not the coach Fulmer was.
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Good post

The thing I keep thinking about is if the money situation at UT is as bad as some say it is and Hart does not feel he could raise the money to make a change for a 4-5 million dollar coach, then Fulmer would make alot of sense to me. I have little doubt that the man would love to come back. I think he would take alot of pride in standing in that press conference and telling us how he will get it done. I would think the same 2 million dollars he was making when he was fired would be enough to get him to do so. Thats bottom of the SEC money, but he does love UT. He would not be my 1st choice, but I think he is a sensible one considering where we are today. 4 years is a long time to relight the fire if a coach wants to get back in the game.
 
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I think we would be way ahead of where we are now if we had kept him and his staff.
 
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By my perspective he should have been let go after the 2005 season, and the next two abysmal recruiting classes maybe could have been salvaged better. What I think is getting missed is after 2005 we lost a LOT of clout in recruiting, and Hammy did not make a move when it could have made a difference. The cupboard was bad when Kiffin got here, and after he left forget about it.

The thing is, if you have a program in decline, or a business in decline for that matter, should you settle for someone that has not and will not be able to succeed in a given set of circumstances? I mean I know it is a apples-oranges comparison but for LA Tech to be ranked and 5-0 the year the majority of Dooley players are gone makes me think even at LA TECH that realize coaching and leadership matters.

I wouldnt have fired Phil in the way they did, it should be at the end of the season. I do not propose nor advocate firing Dooley mid-season either, but the writing is on the wall and I think it will be written in permanent marker should we go lay an egg in Starkville, and there is nothing historical or factual to make me or anyone I know think we will be able to get it done.

I havent said this yet, in any thread, but this game and Dooleys job are one and the same I think. I want him gone, never wanted him hired in the first place, but would admit if he beats MS State, looks competitive in losses to USCjr and Bama, then wins out he will get one more year whether I like it or not.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
By my perspective he should have been let go after the 2005 season, and the next two abysmal recruiting classes maybe could have been salvaged better. What I think is getting missed is after 2005 we lost a LOT of clout in recruiting, and Hammy did not make a move when it could have made a difference. The cupboard was bad when Kiffin got here, and after he left forget about it.

The thing is, if you have a program in decline, or a business in decline for that matter, should you settle for someone that has not and will not be able to succeed in a given set of circumstances? I mean I know it is a apples-oranges comparison but for LA Tech to be ranked and 5-0 the year the majority of Dooley players are gone makes me think even at LA TECH that realize coaching and leadership matters.

I wouldnt have fired Phil in the way they did, it should be at the end of the season. I do not propose nor advocate firing Dooley mid-season either, but the writing is on the wall and I think it will be written in permanent marker should we go lay an egg in Starkville, and there is nothing historical or factual to make me or anyone I know think we will be able to get it done.

I havent said this yet, in any thread, but this game and Dooleys job are one and the same I think. I want him gone, never wanted him hired in the first place, but would admit if he beats MS State, looks competitive in losses to USCjr and Bama, then wins out he will get one more year whether I like it or not.
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I would agree with your last comment. I think that is the only way he stays for another year. I also think that with the schedule being tougher next year and the possible loss of a few keys guys, he will be back on the hot seat early next year. I think he will be replaced, it's just a matter of time.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I would agree with your last comment. I think that is the only way he stays for another year. I also think that with the schedule being tougher next year and the possible loss of a few keys guys, he will be back on the hot seat early next year. I think he will be replaced, it's just a matter of time.
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So who do you think will leave?

IMO, CP, Hunter and Bray are not quite ready based on what they have shown so far this year.
 
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WinchesterVol said:
Fulmer won with old man football. When he listened to everyone including Hammy about changing to a spread offense he screwed himself. The biggest mistake he made was hiring Clawson and listening to the pundits. Hiring Coach back would be a giant improvement over what we have now. I remember his last game when his players carried coach off the field I told my wife WE JUST SCREWED UP and I was one of you that was upset that was screaming for a change.
Having four years off to recharge your batteries is probably what Coach needed in reality. There is not a coach avaiable with his resume that is willing to lead us back to the top. Coach Majors never achieve stability until 1989 forward after he made CPF OC and assistant head coach look it up for yourselves I have. I will support my vols and DD but I am a realist. DD is not the coach Fulmer was.
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No it wouldn't, it would be worse. Also, you're dead wrong about Hamilton swaying Phillip to a spread offense. With all due respect, that was never in the equation. Phillip chose Clawson on his own. Please stop making excuses for Phillip. He made his own bed and was fired as a result.

I am from Winchester too and know Phillip personally. That being said, I can tell you that the one thing Phillip had never proven he was capable of as a head coach was the art of rebuilding. He never had do it. When faced with the task in the mid 2000s, he only bandaged the issues. He got the team fully loaded with quality depth and he built on that momentum. You have to give him credit for the national championship, but then it all began to crumble, piece by piece, and unfortunately his ineptitude to affect positive change and rebuild cost him his job.

NO other way to spin it.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Getting rid of Fulmer was a mistake. Plain to see now.

Getting rid of Fulmer the way Hambone did was inexcusable and low class.Getting rid of Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin's Daddy is actually the new definition of stupid in the Oxford English Dictionary.

We've just got to press-on now, and find our coach who doesn't need SEC-OJT. If rumors that Gruden is interested are true, it is a no-brainer. Tennessee needs that kind of name-recognition on the recruiting trails.
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Obviously, you are misguided by some erroneous information. Fulmer wanted the midweek press conference to announce his firing. Fulmer was initially asked to retire at the season's end and he refused. He actually spent a couple of hours asking for his job back in his meeting with Hamilton.

Honestly, it would do a lot of good for the University of Fulmer fans to accept the FACT that Phillip thought HE HIMSELF was the program and that he would never be fired. Just thank God the University didn't give him tenure in the job like Penn St did Paterno. You know they tried to get him to step down back in the 90s, but he cited his tenured status to remain as coach in Happy Valley.
 
#97
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^^That and his loyalty to assistants and fear of giving up control of the offense after Cut left.
 
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2ironVol said:
No it wouldn't, it would be worse. Also, you're dead wrong about Hamilton swaying Phillip to a spread offense. With all due respect, that was never in the equation. Phillip chose Clawson on his own. Please stop making excuses for Phillip. He made his own bed and was fired as a result.

I am from Winchester too and know Phillip personally. That being said, I can tell you that the one thing Phillip had never proven he was capable of as a head coach was the art of rebuilding. He never had do it. When faced with the task in the mid 2000s, he only bandaged the issues. He got the team fully loaded with quality depth and he built on that momentum. You have to give him credit for the national championship, but then it all began to crumble, piece by piece, and unfortunately his ineptitude to affect positive change and rebuild cost him his job.

NO other way to spin it.
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Spin is the correct term. Obama does need a new press secretary. You re-write history quite well.
 
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volfanecs said:
Spin is the correct term. Obama does need a new press secretary. You re-write history quite well.
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STFU with the Obama BS. It only makes you look like a fool. I have been stating facts and I am sorry you can't handle it. What about my post is spin? That he when he got the job the team was fully loaded and had quality depth? That's fact whether YOU like it or not. That he had never rebuilt a program? Fact

Tell me where I am spinning the truth OR STFU with University of Fulmer crybaby HS

Sorry you don't like factual history.
 
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