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For a lack of a run game.. The coaches have said over an over that the O line lacks the physical ability currently to move the D line around for a run game to be productive.. O.K. then that means there is a reason for this, I know Freshman, Sophmores I am not buying that story these guys have had 2 years of college workouts with some of the best strength and conditioning coaches around, so that means imo that either the strength coach is not getting the job done or the O line coach is not teaching the correct technique in the run game. Maybe we have fell in love to much with the passing game and paid to much attention to pass blocking and not enough to run blocking..

Bottom line is someone or something is to blame for this despite them being sophmores.. I think Harry and Ron should be feeling some heat..
 
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It's on the backs as much as the line. Run to daylight, not towards that massive tangle of big dudes.
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I think we have had a philosophical emphasis on the passing game since Bray became the starter.

I think the focus in practice has been that passing game. To wit, Bray has had a nice pocket to throw from.

However, there has been no direction in making a run game that attacks the opponent, the moves the defense five yards backwards, that is going to get a first down by lowering the pads and bulling through people.

We've heard the mea culpas all this week about it from the coaches.
 
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wags33 said:
For a lack of a run game.. The coaches have said over an over that the O line lacks the physical ability currently to move the D line around for a run game to be productive.. O.K. then that means there is a reason for this, I know Freshman, Sophmores I am not buying that story these guys have had 2 years of college workouts with some of the best strength and conditioning coaches around, so that means imo that either the strength coach is not getting the job done or the O line coach is not teaching the correct technique in the run game. Maybe we have fell in love to much with the passing game and paid to much attention to pass blocking and not enough to run blocking..

Bottom line is someone or something is to blame for this despite them being sophmores.. I think Harry and Ron should be feeling some heat..
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Pretty sure its all yer fault, you suck as a fan...or you can just blame it on the fat man as i always do, just say its all fill fulmers fault and you will feel better.
 
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The only way to really settle this is to take a proven back and put him behind our line. Which will never happen. We all know Poole ain't great and everyone is humble about the guy, but truth is he just don't have it. Even with a line I doubt he does much. I've said time and time again his yards came on big busted plays. Be honest with yourself. How many times have you seen him run and say to yourself that was a stupid choice? He makes me want to scream. I swear he is blind folded at times. Sure our o line might not be the best run blockers, but either way we need a better back and to stop trying to justify Pooles poor skills. He is weak, slow, poor vision and bad decision making ability. He is making our line look worse and coaches too
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I can't fathom how we had a better run game last year with guys who should now be bigger, stronger, and more experienced than last year. It has to do with the way they are being coached. Whatever it is, if it doesn't start to get fixed these next 2 weeks it won't get better for the rest of the season as we run through murderers row in October.
 
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eVOLution said:
I can't fathom how we had a better run game last year with guys who should now be bigger, stronger, and more experienced than last year. It has to do with the way they are being coached. Whatever it is, if it doesn't start to get fixed these next 2 weeks it won't get better for the rest of the season as we run through murderers row in October.
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That's what has me puzzled also. :huh:
 
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wags33 said:
For a lack of a run game.. The coaches have said over an over that the O line lacks the physical ability currently to move the D line around for a run game to be productive.. O.K. then that means there is a reason for this, I know Freshman, Sophmores I am not buying that story these guys have had 2 years of college workouts with some of the best strength and conditioning coaches around, so that means imo that either the strength coach is not getting the job done or the O line coach is not teaching the correct technique in the run game. Maybe we have fell in love to much with the passing game and paid to much attention to pass blocking and not enough to run blocking..

Bottom line is someone or something is to blame for this despite them being sophmores.. I think Harry and Ron should be feeling some heat..
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The previous coaches who left with NO offensive line depth remaining and NO defensive line to provide a decent scrimmage. We will have good OL and DL when we get more experience. I remember when we were concerned when we had to start an inexperienced Junior, much less a redshirt freshman.
 
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Again, I blame Smokey. He comes out on the field with a lackadaisical attitude. The players see that and assume they can "dog" it also. Until we get a dog with a fighting attitude, our running game will suck. I can't believe nobody else is picking up on this...
 
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eVOLution said:
I can't fathom how we had a better run game last year with guys who should now be bigger, stronger, and more experienced than last year. It has to do with the way they are being coached. Whatever it is, if it doesn't start to get fixed these next 2 weeks it won't get better for the rest of the season as we run through murderers row in October.
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It was Dooley's modus operandi with Simms at QB. That all changed when we went to Bray.

Youth probably has a lot to do with it. The coaches wanted to improve the strength of our offense. I think Bray usually has a nice pocket to throw from. But they definitely forgot that you need balance.

I look for the problems to be corrected. We have had the five hour meetings and the mea culpas. Everyone is talking the run game this week. Looks like balance is restored.

However, it has been troubling to watch a line with twice the experience look half as effective in the running game.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Don't forget Wylie. He didn't put as much emphasis on the Strength part of S&C. Our current guy does.
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Exactly! Bennie wylie won the team over by running with them. Totally worthless activity. His job was to monitor, change and challenge the strength of the players. Even his conditioning program sucked for everyone but HIM.

We have had a real s&c coach for less than 9 months. It will happen. Last group to change will be oline...just the nature of the beast. Be patient, CRM has them lifting during the season! It will pay off
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VolinDawgland said:
Fulmer, then Kiffin
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QFT, No upper classmen leaders on the O-line.

PACKERVOL said:
Don't forget Wylie. He didn't put as much emphasis on the Strength part of S&C. Our current guy does.
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True, which means our young guys have had less than a year of focused strength training. Conditioning looks to be improved this year as well.(IMO)

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Exactly! Bennie wylie won the team over by running with them. Totally worthless activity. His job was to monitor, change and challenge the strength of the players. Even his conditioning program sucked for everyone but HIM.
We have had a real s&c coach for less than 9 months. It will happen. Last group to change will be oline...just the nature of the beast. Be patient, CRM has them lifting during the season! It will pay off
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On the money here, Wylie got more of a workout than the team did.
 
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It is astonishing to me how magnificent players/coaches/trainers are when they are with the Vols, and how terrible they are when they go to another team.

Everyone was kissing Bennie Wylie's behind when he was here, yet now people think he was awful. I don't think Texas would hire an incompetent trainer, nor do I think Dooley would.
 
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jackaro said:
It is astonishing to me how magnificent players/coaches/trainers are when they are with the Vols, and how terrible they are when they go to another team.

Everyone was kissing Bennie Wylie's behind when he was here, yet now people think he was awful. I don't think Texas would hire an incompetent trainer, nor do I think Dooley would.
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I never was a Wylie fan.

Any trainer who runs (in full sweats during the summer) with two groups and lifts with one group as a way of gauging the intensity of the teams workout isn't being very logical IMO.

The players loved him because they had it easy with his intensity standards. Also, let's be honest. Just how hard is it to impress/gain admiration of a bunch of 18-20 year olds?

Also, I would like to add, Dooley didn't seem to have a problem with letting him go.

I'm not trying to debate, just stating my honest opinion.

Coach McKeefry is a definite upgrade in my view.
 
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To answer the question: Fulmer is the blame. He was the head coach here for 16 years. The last decade was mired in mediocrity because our offensive line play slowly got worse, year after year. Cutcliffe masked the poor line play when he got back by instilling a short passing game, but when we played the big boys like Florida, it became apparent where our biggest weakness was: the offensive line. NO quality depth. Until we get experience AND depth, we will continue to struggle. REgardless of what is said in this thread, Dooley has us on the right track and has the right assistants doing the job.
 
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I blame the OP... its all his fault

Should get out there yourself and run the rock... see if you have any room to talk
 
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