Who is the better Manning?

[n_huffhines]

Good points. I think the difference is that the Pats had no significant run game and the heart of the Giants' D was the pass rush. Giants may not have won against a more well-rounded team.

Actually the Pats do have a decent run game and the Giants had a poor season running the ball. It surprised me that Giants ran the ball better, yesterday.

 

[BearCat204]

Actually the Pats do have a decent run game and the Giants had a poor season running the ball. It surprised me that Giants ran the ball better, yesterday.

The Giants running game was beastly when Bradshaw was healthy......pretty pathetic when he was hurt for all but 11 games.

 

[vollygirl]

Pretty impressive we're having this discussion at all. Kudos to the parental Mannings.

 

[n_huffhines]

The Giants running game was beastly when Bradshaw was healthy......pretty pathetic when he was hurt for all but 11 games.

How do you figure? Bradshaw averaged 3.9 YPC during the regular season. And he only missed 4 games. Are you saying he was hurt for 11 of the 12 he appeared in? I don't understand. When was it beastly? Bradshaw had 1 50-yard game, and Jacobs had 2 70-yard games.

 

[madbamahater]

The only reason Peyton doesn't have 2 rings is because he threw a terrible interception against the Saints. Quit blaming his Defense.

Um the defense didn't stop anyone. No reason Peyton should have been in that situation.

 

[altidore17]

You are such a clueless homer. No help? Lmao.

He has had four first round RBs. Three first round WRs. A first round TE. The best pair of pass rushing DEs in the league.
Just shut up. You are so wrong it is not funny.

Eli is the answer to the OP question.

Peyton is a choke artist dating back to college.

When they won the superbowl it was because of his defense stepping up in the playoffs and the RBs were their offense in the superbowl win.

When did they start giving inmates at the corrections facility computer access? Your post is just wildly hilarious, what'd Peyton do steal your girl in college? Move on, bro.

 

[altidore17]

Um the defense didn't stop anyone. No reason Peyton should have been in that situation.

Not to mention Reggie Wayne running the wrong route.

 

[BearCat204]

How do you figure? Bradshaw averaged 3.9 YPC during the regular season. And he only missed 4 games. Are you saying he was hurt for 11 of the 12 he appeared in? I don't understand. When was it beastly? Bradshaw had 1 50-yard game, and Jacobs had 2 70-yard games.

Wasnt he banged up for most of the year? beastly might have been a poor choice of words....effective would be better

 

[altidore17]

Can someone just pull up all time stats, put them next to eachother, and end this pointless debate? Peyton wins this battle 10/10 times. Give it up.

 

[BearCat204]

Can someone just pull up all time stats, put them next to eachother, and end this pointless debate? Peyton wins this battle 10/10 times. Give it up.

Depends on what stats you think are the most important. Here are my biggest three categories up til this year (sorry, I dont have anything for 11 due to Peyton's unfortunate injury).

This is for their career

TD/INT Ratio YPA Rating
Brady 2.49/1 7.37 94.94
Manning 2.01/1 7.62 94.93

 

[TuckVol]

The argument of "who ever has the most Super Bowls" is completely and utterly ridiculous, but okay, lets go by this logic.

Eli is better than Peyton now. Also, that would make Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, and Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino. Come on man, easy argument, right?! 0 rings, to 1! Simple math!

If you any of you actually look at Eli and Peyton side by side and truly feel Eli to be the better FOOTBALL player and quarterback, then may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[TuckVol]

Also:

Eli and Peyton's individual career stats AFTER 8 years (seeing as Eli just completed his eighth)

Eli: 27,579 yards, 58.4%, 185 TDs

Peyton: 33,195 yards, 64%, 244 TDs

 

[chavisut]

Peyton.

 

[TOP]

Eli carried the team in the regular season, no doubt. But the Giants' D held the Packers (35 ppg) to 20, the Patriots (32 ppg) to 17, the 49ers (24 ppg) to 17, and the Falcons (25 ppg) to 2 points.

In 4 playoff games the Giants' D held their opponents to an average of 15 points below their average score total. THAT'S INSANE! Peyton has always carried bad D's to the playoffs. If they could've somehow managed playoff runs like that, Peyton would have more titles.

The Giants defense played better in the playoffs but Eli still averaged 313yds 2.4tds .2ints per game in the playoffs(including the Cowboys games).

Do you remember Peyton Manning's numbers in the playoffs during his Super Bowl run? The Colts won in spite of him.


vs. the Chiefs
Peyton Manning 30/38 268yds 1td 3int
188yds rushing 4.7avg 1td

Trent Green 14/24 107yds 1td 2int - Chiefs also lost 1 fumble
44yds rushing 2.6 avg 0td


vs. the Ravens
Peyton Manning 15/30 170yds 0td 2int
100yds rushing 2.9avg 0td

Steve McNair 18/29 173 0tds 2int - Ravens also lost 2 fumbles
83yds rushing 4.2avg 0td


vs. the Patriots
Peyton Manning 27/47 349yds 1td 1int
125yds rushing 4.2avg 2td

Tom Brady 21/34 232yds 1tds 1int
93yds rushing 3.9avg 1td


vs. the Bears
Peyton Manning 25/38 247yds 1td 1int - Colts also lost 2 fumbles(1 by PM)
191yds rushing 4.5avg 1td

Rex Grossman 20/28 165 1td 2int - Bears also lost 3 fumbles
111yds rushing 4.8avg 0td


Total
Manning Passing: 1,034yd 3td 7int(1 fumble)
Opponent Passing: 677yds 3td 6int

Colts Rushing: 604yds 4td 0fumbles
Opp Rushing: 331yds 1td 6fumbles


There is no way Peyton would have won with this Giants defense if he played the way he did during his Super Bowl run. Eli put up massive numbers and they still almost lost to the 49ers and Patriots.

Peyton is amazing but with the way he won his only Super Bowl, there is nothing that suggests he would have won the Super Bowl with this Giants defense. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

 

[n_huffhines]

Depends on what stats you think are the most important. Here are my biggest three categories up til this year (sorry, I dont have anything for 11 due to Peyton's unfortunate injury).

This is for their career

TD/INT Ratio YPA Rating
Brady 2.49/1 7.37 94.94
Manning 2.01/1 7.62 94.93

Uhh, rating is a horrible stat.

Brady didn't have to endure a rookie season on the worst team in the league from the previous year. Manning's rookie year was nothing but growing pains. When you don't count his rookie year:

Manning: 2.2 TD:1 INT, 7.7 YPA, 65.7%, 4257 yards/season
Brady: 2.5 TD: 1 INT, 7.4 YPA, 63.8%, 3990 yards/season

 

[Vol_Doc]

Actually the Pats do have a decent run game and the Giants had a poor season running the ball. It surprised me that Giants ran the ball better, yesterday.

Pats were 20th in the league in rushing. Most of their run game is set up by the pass. I would not call it decent. And, I agree that the Giants run game was poor during the regular season. Somehow peaked at the right time, though.

My point was about the Giants D versus the Pats O. The Pats can't run without the pass. Thus, their 83 total rushing yards last night (21 of that by Welker). The Giants' pass rush again gave Brady fits.

 

[n_huffhines]

The Giants defense played better in the playoffs but Eli still averaged 313yds 2.4tds .2ints per game in the playoffs(including the Cowboys games).

Do you remember Peyton Manning's numbers in the playoffs during his Super Bowl run? The Colts won in spite of him.


vs. the Chiefs
Peyton Manning 30/38 268yds 1td 3int
188yds rushing 4.7avg 1td

Trent Green 14/24 107yds 1td 2int - Chiefs also lost 1 fumble
44yds rushing 2.6 avg 0td


vs. the Ravens
Peyton Manning 15/30 170yds 0td 2int
100yds rushing 2.9avg 0td

Steve McNair 18/29 173 0tds 2int - Ravens also lost 2 fumbles
83yds rushing 4.2avg 0td


vs. the Patriots
Peyton Manning 27/47 349yds 1td 1int
125yds rushing 4.2avg 2td

Tom Brady 21/34 232yds 1tds 1int
93yds rushing 3.9avg 1td


vs. the Bears
Peyton Manning 25/38 247yds 1td 1int - Colts also lost 2 fumbles(1 by PM)
191yds rushing 4.5avg 1td

Rex Grossman 20/28 165 1td 2int - Bears also lost 3 fumbles
111yds rushing 4.8avg 0td


Total
Manning Passing: 1,034yd 3td 7int(1 fumble)
Opponent Passing: 677yds 3td 6int

Colts Rushing: 604yds 4td 0fumbles
Opp Rushing: 331yds 1td 6fumbles


There is no way Peyton would have won with this Giants defense if he played the way he did during his Super Bowl run. Eli put up massive numbers and they still almost lost to the 49ers and Patriots.

Peyton is amazing but with the way he won his only Super Bowl, there is nothing that suggests he would have won the Super Bowl with this Giants defense. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

That's what I'm saying. The D showed up one time and the Colts won the Super Bowl. Go figure.

Also, you can't really compare the 2 runs. Eli played 3 teams that were great offensively, and his D stopped them. Manning played 3 bad offensive teams, so hopefully his D would stop them some. As it stands, the Giants 2011 held awesome offenses to 15 below their averages. Colts D held mediocre offenses to 7 below their averages.

 

[TOP]

You can't really compare the 2 runs. Eli played 3 teams that were great offensively, and his D stopped them. Manning played 3 bad offensive teams, so hopefully his D would stop them some.

If I can't compare Peyton's only Super Bowl to Eli's, I don't know how you could say Peyton would win more playing with the Giants. Comparing the two is better than just believing something imaginary for the sake of believing it. I showed you why the Giants defense this year wouldn't have been any better than the defenses he's played with. You could argue the Giants defense in the 2008 Super Bowl helping Peyton win more but stats flat out show you that the Giants defense wasn't good this year. And again, Eli put up amazing numbers and the Giants still needed overtime and a last minute drive in two of their games. Peyton Manning would not automatically win more championships just because he had this defense.

 

[n_huffhines]

If I can't compare Peyton's only Super Bowl to Eli's, I don't know how you could say Peyton would win more playing with the Giants. Comparing the two is better than just believing something imaginary for the sake of believing it. I showed you why the Giants defense this year wouldn't have been any better than the defenses he's played with. You could argue the Giants defense in the 2008 Super Bowl helping Peyton win more but stats flat out show you that the Giants defense wasn't good this year. And again, Eli put up amazing numbers and the Giants still needed overtime and a last minute drive in two of their games. Peyton Manning would not automatically win more championships just because he had this defense.

I didn't. I said if he had a D that showed up in the playoffs he'd have more. They showed up for the playoffs once in like 10 years, and they won it all.

 

[TOP]

That's what I'm saying. The D showed up one time and the Colts won the Super Bowl. Go figure.

Also, you can't really compare the 2 runs. Eli played 3 teams that were great offensively, and his D stopped them. Manning played 3 bad offensive teams, so hopefully his D would stop them some. As it stands, the Giants 2011 held awesome offenses to 15 below their averages. Colts D held mediocre offenses to 7 below their averages.

But my point was this defense was not good so anyone claiming Peyton would have more Super Bowls if he had this exact defense isn't a true statement. It's wishful thinking because Peyton Manning fans want to believe it. Without proof, that's all it is... excuse making and wishful thinking.

Also, Eli had didn't have a single wide receiver or tight end from the last Super Bowl. Peyton always had Harrison, Wayne and Clark. And the Giants rushing wasn't very good this year either.

All in all, I'm just not buying the Peyton would win with this defense. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[rok_etop]

my question is where was peyton?

did anyone see him, because i didn't see it? i assume he had to be there. he was there the first time the giants made the super bowl?

just curious

He was hosting an Amway party. Event isnt closed out yet, so let him know if you need a case of Snickers or some Toilet Paper.

 

[TOP]

I didn't. I said if he had a D that showed up in the playoffs he'd have more. They showed up for the playoffs once in like 10 years, and they won it all.

Okay, then. I was only arguing the claim that other people made saying Peyton would win more with this defense. I thought you were in the same boat. That's all I'm arguing.

 

[n_huffhines]

But my point was this defense was not good so anyone claiming Peyton would have more Super Bowls if he had this exact defense isn't a true statement. It's wishful thinking because Peyton Manning fans want to believe it. Without proof, that's all it is... excuse making and wishful thinking.

Also, Eli had didn't have a single wide receiver or tight end from the last Super Bowl. Peyton always had Harrison, Wayne and Clark. And the Giants rushing wasn't very good this year either.

All in all, I'm just not buying the Peyton would win with this defense. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Harrison wasn't around for the second SB, and Clark was a seldom used weapon in 2006. Don't really know what the point is. Whether you are throwing to Burress with a dominant run game, or you are throwing to the 3-headed monster of Nicks-Manningham, and Cruz, either way Eli was set for weapons.

 

[golfballs]

Peyton for sure

 

[TrueOrange]

Their defense was built to play with a lead which they almost always had which let them make the other team one dimensional and was a great pass D especially at rushing the QB.

...that's not that great of a D at all

In fact, building a defense around "it's ok, our offense will out score them" ...that's kind of a pretty poor managerial decision