Who is supposed to cover the rb on a wheel route?

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IPorange said:
even set, to where the TE's are each covered by the OLB's, which would only leave the MLB to try and haul ass outside to cover the wheel.
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A team that is experienced in man to man may leave and ILB on the back, but will usually have some deep help for him. And it's too simplistic to say that X defender will cover him in the zone. Could be 2, 3, or 4 deep, all with variations. The flat defender is generally taught to run with the wheel if it turns up the boundary.
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Grayvol said:
A team that is experienced in man to man may leave and ILB on the back, but will usually have some deep help for him. And it's too simplistic to say that X defender will cover him in the zone. Could be 2, 3, or 4 deep, all with variations. The flat defender is generally taught to run with the wheel if it turns up the boundary.
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The example that the dude used was a 4 3 defense I think. The only way that a linebacker could have safety help in that defense in man coverage is if the outside linebacker covers the slot reciever and the inside backer covers the back. That way, a safety is left free to help over the top. If an OLB widens to a slot reciever, that has to be the go to spot and makes the wheel from the back a secondary option. A good route combo keeps the flat defender from running with the wheel in zone as well. Since the wheel is normally ran behind a slant or a rub route, it will be open underneath if the defender runs with the wheel. That's the great thing about football. For every action, there is a reaction. The team that makes the play is the one that diagnoses what is in front of them the best. (Except in the case of a superior athlete just making a play)

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MY BAD. I didn't pay attention to which post you were replying to. I mistakenly thought you were talking about how they would defend it against the 4 wide. Sorry.
 
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volnation2217 said:
It depends on if they are in a zone or man coverage. In a zone, the corner will pick him up with a safety over the top. Where it works though is against a man coverage. Usually, a linebacker is responsible for the back and that is where the miss match comes into play. The pass needs to be thrown at about 6 to 8 yards down field. By that time, the RB has headed north and south and the LB can't keep up. The slant and the wheel are a great combo on any level.
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From a former D Coord: great synopsis!
Having said that, it could change depending on the coverage. In straight man, the LB will have him. In man free, the free safety will be over the top. In zone, depends on if you are in 2,3, or 4 deep coverage. In a 4-3 or 4-4, the OLB will have flats in a 3 deep and the corner has deep 1/3.
9 times out of 10, the slant is run with the wheel rout. It also helps to create a pick on any potential LB coverage. Offensive people will call it a rub, but coming from a defense kind of guy, it's an illegal pick. Just sayin. BTW, the offense holds EVERY play as well. ;-)
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JayVols said:
From a former D Coord: great synopsis!
Having said that, it could change depending on the coverage. In straight man, the LB will have him. In man free, the free safety will be over the top. In zone, depends on if you are in 2,3, or 4 deep coverage. In a 4-3 or 4-4, the OLB will have flats in a 3 deep and the corner has deep 1/3.
9 times out of 10, the slant is run with the wheel rout. It also helps to create a pick on any potential LB coverage. Offensive people will call it a rub, but coming from a defense kind of guy, it's an illegal pick. Just sayin. BTW, the offense holds EVERY play as well. ;-)
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See my last post lol :lolabove:
 
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Wow...you read a message board like this with people giving abstract opinions, and you don't think much of it. You accept people's opinions without regard to much critical analysis.

Then, every once in a while, a question like this is asked which calls for some hands-on football knowledge. The answer to this question is not opinion...its fact. You really see who has some football knowledge about defensive schemes...and you realize that most people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Yeah, I know, this won't be very popular. However, only the people who don't know much about football will be mad.
 
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Everything depends on the play call on defense and the formation the offense is in. If it's a blitz (it depends on what kind of blitz as well) with everyone else man to man then usually an LB will pick him up, if the QB sells the playaction good enough then the LB bites down inside and the wheel route is wide open down the sideline because the corner and safety have been cleared out by the WRs. Sometimes you will have a safety maned up vs the RB in man to man. It just all depends man, if you wanna throw the offensive formation and the play call on defense at me i'll let you know who has him tho.
 
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Voltillyafall said:
Wow...you read a message board like this with people giving abstract opinions, and you don't think much of it. You accept people's opinions without regard to much critical analysis.

Then, every once in a while, a question like this is asked which calls for some hands-on football knowledge. The answer to this question is not opinion...its fact. You really see who has some football knowledge about defensive schemes...and you realize that most people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Yeah, I know, this won't be very popular. However, only the people who don't know much about football will be mad.
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lol man I liked what you said, most ppl on here were giving answers without knowing what formation the offense was in and what play call the 4-3 defense was even running. it would be IMPOSSIBLE to tell who has the RB without knowing that stuff. I just stopped reading them and posted what I said above lol. and yes you are right most ppl will prolly get mad about that but it will prolly just be the guys that were wrong because they talk about stuff they don't understand. kudos on ur post tho....
 
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Voltillyafall said:
Then, every once in a while, a question like this is asked which calls for some hands-on football knowledge. The answer to this question is not opinion...its fact. You really see who has some football knowledge about defensive schemes...and you realize that most people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about..
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you can't take much from a general question like this.
I think just about everybody realizes there is no right answer and that's really the reason the play is hard to defend. Most of the time a RB is going to run a swing, circle, fan etc. When one takes off on a wheel it drives defenses crazy. Its what made Percy Harvin so good.
 
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GAVol said:
you can't take much from a general question like this.
I think just about everybody realizes there is no right answer and that's really the reason the play is hard to defend. Most of the time a RB is going to run a swing, circle, fan etc. When one takes off on a wheel it drives defenses crazy. Its what made Percy Harvin so good.
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It is even funnier when you consider how many times Chris Walker has been in coverage this year.

The real answer is that in every defense one person is primarily responsible for keying the back. In a perfect world for the defense it is an OLB or SS.
 
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Lexvol said:
It is even funnier when you consider how many times Chris Walker has been in coverage this year.

The real answer is that in every defense one person is primarily responsible for keying the back. In a perfect world for the defense it is an OLB or SS.
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Yeah those wheel routes are a lot cooler when you catch the defense in zone blitz and they've got a DE chasing a guy with 4.5 speed
 
#40
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Loaded question, it could be just about anyone on the field, typically RB are covered by LB's though.
 
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