Who is supposed to cover the rb on a wheel route?

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StoVol

StoVol

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i was thinking about how we'd use our slot wr and rb's next year... alot of times teams seemed to get burned on wheel routes when its third and 6 or so.... see auburn(mccaleb) and oregon (pick either rb).. if we can get a DY or Rajon(think he broke one this year) swinging out against a blitz... a shifty rb could put some hurt on a defense.. who should cover him in a base 4-3? imagine faking jet sweep to Darick, Arnett, or Dallas to left then wheel route to DY on the right
 
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Typically that's going to be an OLB. At least that's the theory when they design the play.
 
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It depends on if they are in a zone or man coverage. In a zone, the corner will pick him up with a safety over the top. Where it works though is against a man coverage. Usually, a linebacker is responsible for the back and that is where the miss match comes into play. The pass needs to be thrown at about 6 to 8 yards down field. By that time, the RB has headed north and south and the LB can't keep up. The slant and the wheel are a great combo on any level.
 
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ten fo... hopefully one that is aggressively biting on the fakes
 
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so thats why it works on third down! they are likely to be in man on third and long if they're blitzing.. i see
 
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volnation2217 said:
It depends on if they are in a zone or man coverage. In a zone, the corner will pick him up with a safety over the top. Where it works though is against a man coverage. Usually, a linebacker is responsible for the back and that is where the miss match comes into play. The pass needs to be thrown at about 6 to 8 yards down field. By that time, the RB has headed north and south and the LB can't keep up. The slant and the wheel are a great combo on any level.
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If the safety goes over with the WR and the CB thinks he has help and releases the RB, it's a big gain too.
 
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volnation2217 said:
It depends on if they are in a zone or man coverage. In a zone, the corner will pick him up with a safety over the top. Where it works though is against a man coverage. Usually, a linebacker is responsible for the back and that is where the miss match comes into play. The pass needs to be thrown at about 6 to 8 yards down field. By that time, the RB has headed north and south and the LB can't keep up. The slant and the wheel are a great combo on any level.
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Folks...that is the correct answer!. A lot of times the delay makes the LB get tunnell vision and before you know it the rb is running wide open down the side lines.
 
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Outside linebacker runs with him and he will get safety help over the top.

This is why a wheel is difficult to defend when paired with a split end running a post or flag route... the safety is forced to make a decision... good QBs look the safety one way or the other and make the throw.

Best defense for this is a good pass rush.
 
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volnation2217 said:
It depends on if they are in a zone or man coverage. In a zone, the corner will pick him up with a safety over the top. Where it works though is against a man coverage. Usually, a linebacker is responsible for the back and that is where the miss match comes into play. The pass needs to be thrown at about 6 to 8 yards down field. By that time, the RB has headed north and south and the LB can't keep up. The slant and the wheel are a great combo on any level.
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We have a Winner :good!: Run the slant in Man to clear out the field and have the back behind it on the wheel, possibly get a rub(or pick for you resident DC's) on the OLB and you have a big play.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Outside linebacker runs with him and he will get safety help over the top.

This is why a wheel is difficult to defend when paired with a split end running a post or flag route... the safety is forced to make a decision... good QBs look the safety one way or the other and make the throw.

Best defense for this is a good pass rush.
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:good!::good!: its hard for a QB to thow it when hes flat on his a$$ !!!!
 
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Devrin I guess i thought only wheel route he runs will be in practice dont see much chance of him not being red shirted.
 
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Nothing like counting your chickens before you have eggs.

At this point, I'm not counting on Devrin Young for anything. Hell, I don't even see him being a factor in the return game. The only reasons people act like he will be Devin Hester are because his name is close and they've seen him do what all our skill positions did in High School, make sophomore kickoff coverage teams look silly.
 
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On 3 & 6, you run a wheel route and get a pick play if they are in base 4-3. Now-a-days though, so many teams throw on 3 & 3-8 that most teams go to nickel/dime, and they put a CB, MAYBE a S on him.

Great question by the way. I love football questions like these.
 
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zjcvols said:
On 3 & 6, you run a wheel route and get a pick play if they are in base 4-3. Now-a-days though, so many teams throw on 3 & 3-8 that most teams go to nickel/dime, and they put a CB, MAYBE a S on him.

Great question by the way. I love football questions like these.
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Could you not just come out in a balanced 4 WR set, putting them in dime, and force the sole LB to match up against the RB in the backfield?
 
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IPorange said:
Could you not just come out in a balanced 4 WR set, putting them in dime, and force the sole LB to match up against the RB in the backfield?
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In a four wide set, the back usually has to stay in and block. If we come out in a four wide and they stay in man, that means they are coming with everything. Without a back to help pick up the blitz, there is just not enough time to let the recievers push their defenders deep enough to allow the back to catch a wheel for a positive gain. This is the times that you see the wheel route thrown and the corner or safety comes up to make the play around the line of scrimmage. Without adequate time to clear the flats, it's going nowhere.
 
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