Who is responsible for all these coaches saying no to the Vols

#51
#51
vol66 said:
This is a list of some of the coaches who turned down, weren't interested etc... in taking a job at UT since Fulmer left. I'm sure I left some out.

Lovie Smith, twice
Jon Gruden, twice
Will Muschamp, twice
Troy Calhoun, came in 2nd(reportedly) when X was hired, turned down post X
Gary Patterson
Chris Peterson
Brian Kelly
Butch Davis
Mike Leach
Tim Brewster
Kyle Whittingham
David Cutcliffe
The one thing all have in common is some kind of communication with Mike Hamilton or representatives for UT. I think it's a fair question to ask. Is there a reason a coach might not want to work for/with Mike Hamilton?
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Where are you getting your information that this list of coaches turned down a job offer from UT?

Some have never been contacted by UT and others gave it more consideration because it was UT, but ultimately decided their best interest was served staying where they were/are.
 
#52
#52
UT IE 95 said:
Where are you getting your information that this list of coaches turned down a job offer from UT?

Some have never been contacted by UT and others gave it more consideration because it was UT, but ultimately decided their best interest was served staying where they were/are.
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First, I did preface with"...turned down, not interested, etc.."
Second, most if not all can be linked through GVX, in terms of their interest, lack of or complete denial of contact.
Third, it's impossible to know the truth, but the main point was to open a discussion pertaining to the reasons we aren't hiring coaches with a proven track record as opposed to guys... well....less proven.
 
#53
#53
oklavol said:
They said no to the offer Hamilton gave them. If they had been offered 4-5 million and complete control would they have said no?

Some of them probably would have, some of them probably would not. They rejected the offer they got, not necessarily the job.

For example, Cutcliffe wanted to bring his assistants and not inherit the ones from Kiffin's staff, so he said no.
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#55
#55
Vols N Shocks said:
Ever thought that the media may be reporting things that aren't true?
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Yes. So? The media reporting that Kiffin and now Dooley were the only coaches offered according to Hamilton, um... yer right I find that hard to believe.
 
#56
#56
We live in a capitalistic country. The whole point of America is to make as much money as you can without regard to human dignity. If you are looking to justify making money by what people are actually worth, then move to europe.

When a football player or coach makes more than the most powerful leader of the freeworld...you know we are living in the twighlight zone.

No, I can definitely see in the next 2-3 years caps being put on college teams/coaches just like in the pro-leagues.
 
#57
#57
If we would have hired Calhoun last year it would been thought of as a bruce pearl move. He would have brought in the majority of his crew at way way under the cap that we are paying all these boyz.
 
#58
#58
swiperboyfan said:
Why do we keep offering coaches raises and keep getting turned down? WTF? Is Tennessee not a great place to coach?
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First of all, we don't know for sure (accept maybe Will M from texas) that any coach turned us down as a program. There are a lot of things that much be agreed on before a coach and a school will agree to a contract. And there is no way you or anyone else will know all the facts that happen during this coaching hire.

So, don't sweat over it...
 
#59
#59
Sonny Dykes (OC for Arizona) to La. Tech as HC. WOW!
 
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#61
#61
everyone needs to calm down. hymans and everyone needs to quit rushing to judgement. we have had a head coach less than a week. id prefer him to hire the right guy not rush to it. Steele would have been a good hire. He declined, it happens, give him time DD is connected, we will get a Great DC.
 
#62
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vol66 said:
First, I did preface with"...turned down, not interested, etc.."
Second, most if not all can be linked through GVX, in terms of their interest, lack of or complete denial of contact.
Third, it's impossible to know the truth, but the main point was to open a discussion pertaining to the reasons we aren't hiring coaches with a proven track record as opposed to guys... well....less proven.
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A huge part of our problem in hiring a head coach came down to timing. A proven head coach at a bcs conference school is just not willing to do to his school what kiffin did to us. I'm not trying to take a shot at la tech, but let's face it, they expect that an sec job will lure away their coach. The proven coach's names come up for every major job opening, they can afford to sit back and choose the best situation. Leaving your current school in a jam right before signing day to go to a school where you have a good chance of not having a good recruiting class is not a smart move. Ut is not like Florida when meyer took the job, zoom was bad, but he left that team packed with tallent. When pellini took the Nebraska job, Nebraska had been so bad for so long that fan expectations had been lowered to reasonable levels, reality had time to set in. Fans expectations are still too high here considering our current roster. You can't look at a program in a vacuum and not consider how the timing affects how long it will take to turn a program around.
 
#63
#63
Volunteeer said:
A huge part of our problem in hiring a head coach came down to timing. A proven head coach at a bcs conference school is just not willing to do to his school what kiffin did to us. I'm not trying to take a shot at la tech, but let's face it, they expect that an sec job will lure away their coach. The proven coach's names come up for every major job opening, they can afford to sit back and choose the best situation. Leaving your current school in a jam right before signing day to go to a school where you have a good chance of not having a good recruiting class is not a smart move. Ut is not like Florida when meyer took the job, zoom was bad, but he left that team packed with tallent. When pellini took the Nebraska job, Nebraska had been so bad for so long that fan expectations had been lowered to reasonable levels, reality had time to set in. Fans expectations are still too high here considering our current roster. You can't look at a program in a vacuum and not consider how the timing affects how long it will take to turn a program around.
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While I agree with your post, as it pertains to this situation, timing was not the issue before hiring X. It doesn't really pertain to the 4 DC's that have turned us down. Nor does it have much bearing on NFL coaches, other than those in the playoffs.
 
#64
#64
Just a thought. How much effect do you think all the rumors and attention that is coming out every time someone is considered. If I was a coach that was interested, I think I would want everything in private while the negotiations are going on. I know we have to get permission to talk to other coaches, but seems that there may be info being leaked and rumors abound and conclusions made before the deal is made.
 
#66
#66
vol66 said:
While I agree with your post, as it pertains to this situation, timing was not the issue before hiring X. It doesn't really pertain to the 4 DC's that have turned us down. Nor does it have much bearing on NFL coaches, other than those in the playoffs.
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My post was not meant to address the hiring of x, just the current situation since each situation is unique. I'm not aware of any proven successful former college coaches in the NFL that are currently looking to return to the college ranks. I know l smith's name was mentioned and if we did contact him to see if he was interested I think that's fine, but how many successful NFL coaches who have not been fired have you seen return to college coaching? It's worth asking, but there is no reistic chNce he is going to say yes.

Also the post was not addressed to th dcs either. I'm not aware that the job has been offerred to anyone but steel. I know there have been other names mentioned and they have talked to others, but I think it is inaccurate to say four dcs have declined offers. As far as I know steel was offered the job and accepted it, but after a meeting with his players, he decided to stay. No reflection on ut that a coach felt strongly connected to the players he coached and decided not to leave. And yes, the timing still affects coordinators as well. Losing a coordinator would probably not be as detrimental to recruiting, but is still could have major affect on recruiting. You know how recruiting works, the coordinator would be the primary recruiter for several recruits.

I've said it before, we are not unusual. USC is one of the top five jobs inthe country and they were turned down by five or six people and the timing of their opening was slightly better than our situation.
 
#67
#67
It's kind of difficult to address a thread titled "Who's to blame for all these coaches..." without going back to the previous hire imo. There was a list of coaches, some were the same, others were unique to one search or the other. The one thing that is constant is Mike Hamilton. There is another constant in that Dooley and Sumerlin, two names that weren't involved in the first search are both Sexton clients as were Kiffin and Fulmer. If I take Hamilton at his word it came down to Kippy Brown and Dooley. The other constant is that in the two hires since Fulmer, UT has hired two unproven coaches. While Brown has far more experience in coaching, he has never been a head coach. He's also not a Sexton client. If Kiffin can't promise Monte, does he get the job? If ADMH throws the bank at say a...Kelly,Muschamp, even Calhoun we probably aren't in this situation at all. However of those three, Muschamp is the only Sexton client.
 
#68
#68
Throw the bank at Kelly? You mean chip Kelly? The coach that just took the notre dame job a month ago? It would be suicide for him to leave, even if he wanted to.

Muschamp? He is well paid at Texas and is the head coach in waiting at arguably the best job in college football. Even if he wanted to leave right now his name is hot and he would have his pick of jobs. And while the tennessee program is a great one, it is not a situation condusive to coming in and immediately being successful. Yes, mh could throw sabanesque money at him and he might come, but I don't think so, and if mh threw that amount of money at him fans would be screaming about how he was being irresponsible giving a dc with no head coaching experience that amount of money.

Is it any suprise that a coach who went to air force and made a commitment to build the program at an institution that values character and responsibility would decide against not fulfilling his promise and especially would not leave the program at the worst time of the year? Do youvreally think" throwing the bank" at him to get him to leave there would be the right thing to do? I don't. And I don't think he'd do it anyway. And if you remember, when his named surfaced, ut fans were not happy. The coach of air force was not exciting people as a great hire. So what would have happened if mh threw a lot of money at him? They would be screaming about his record and lack of recruiting experience, his triple option offense, etc.

I keep bearing people say "what is the common denominator between" and then they name all the people contacted about the job. Well that's just silly, mh is the AD, of course he is the one who is contacting the candidates! I don't know mh and don't have enough information to say he is a great ad or not, but I have yet to hear anyone put together a strong fact based argument that gives me reason to believe he is not doing a good job.
 
#70
#70
Let me see if I follow you Volunteer...You think Mike Hamilton has offered the job to the best person for the job both times he's hired a head coach for UT? You believe the search was thorough and MH got the best fit for UT? That's okay, really it is. I don't agree, but that's what a message board is all about, right?
 
#73
#73
I wonder where are the competitors u hear about in coaching, why dont they come here and try to help us build this program up...
 
#75
#75
vol66 said:
Let me see if I follow you Volunteer...You think Mike Hamilton has offered the job to the best person for the job both times he's hired a head coach for UT? You believe the search was thorough and MH got the best fit for UT? That's okay, really it is. I don't agree, but that's what a message board is all about, right?
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What I am saying is that I hear lots of people say how mh choices are wrong, but I am not hearing them offer valid, reasonable alternatives. If you are going to say that he is wrong, then show me the alternatives that you saw that were better. I am not really endorsing mh, but I'm saying the detractors have not given me any reason to believe there were viable big name candidates out there that would satisfy there desire for a big splash and would want to take the position.
 
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