Who is Really to Blame???

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Sudden Impact

Sudden Impact

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Looking all over this board. We as fans have blamed everybody but ourselves for accepting mediocre performances since the NC Season.

We have blamed the players individually. They are not at fault here they are doing what they are coached to do.

We have blamed the coaches and even fired one.

Should we blame the media for pointing out the obvious. (ESPN does not count as media they are prejudice no matter what the case)

When will we blame the AD for not making a change.

We HAVE NOT Blamed the Donors for fueling this fire. Everybody seems to think they are the decider's.

DO We want a scapegoat or an excuse? This board provides more than enough. Are we the problem as die hard fan.

We are all sitting around the table and pointing fingers at each other.

Its time to make some tough decisions and to take the action necessary to put the program back on the National Map. Would somebody please step up to the plate and do that make a decision get it done and move on.

We have got the facilities, fan base, donors and no where will you find a better setting to reclaim the Glory days of old.

We have not blamed ourselves as fans for allowing our program to get into this state of mediocrity.

Execuses....... Look at this board it is whinny. Play Clock, played to early and on and on. Excuses excuses excuses combined with fire them all.

Please hit the RESET Button and Let's start all over.

The AD is not going to let emotions sway his decision I think he might ought to rethink that because Tennessee Fans are very emotional and passionate.

We schedule everything around UT Football games and for a long time it was the only life that some people had.

But Again we are to blame for not sending him the message that money does not matter. When it comes to UT Football it is all about Emotions.

Do Donors have that much influence? Well if they do then let's blame them for this mess because they donate millions of dollars a year and receive sub standard returns on their dollars because if they make the decisions on changes to our program they are not doing a good job. If Tennessee were a stock they would be Selling.

If the meal is too hard to cook in the kitchen then get out of it. Take the Money and run with it but to not let them decide who coaches or who does not at the university of Tennessee. When in charge take charge. If you cannot make that call then get out of the Kitchen. I believe you are seriously not influenced by donors but read the board a lot of die hard fans think that this team is bought, supported and ran by donors.

If this team is for sell tell me what the price is and I can raise the money to buy it.

So back to the original question? Who is to Blame?

We all are for allowing this to happen? Time for someone to take the lead to fix it before we have to hit the reset button.
 
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"But Again we are to blame for not sending him the message that money does not matter. When it comes to UT Football it is all about Emotions"

To mike hamilton thats all that matters. You should read some of his interviews. He makes it very clear.
 
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I said yesterday that i would not set foot back inside Neyland Stadium until there are some major changes and i stand behind that. Hamilton is a money man he does not care about us or anyone else for that matter. To him its attendance, attendance, attendance. If you really want to show your displeasure with what is going on in the football program at Tennessee STOP BUYING THE PRODUCT and see what happens. I know i will get blasted with people telling me that we are giving up on the players and so on but, where does it end? Every now and then you have to draw a line in the sand and say NO MORE.
 
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I'd say 95% of the people who post on this board are just like me - we know enough about football to know what to complain about. That does not make us experts, and it certainly doesn't set us on par with a D-1 head football coach, no matter what his record is. All we have is our love of the game and/or of the university/state or what have you.

I can guarandamntee you that what Hamilton has is a charge from the university to make money and keep us out of trouble with the NCAA, and that's it. Football is no longer just a game; it's a business. Only the fans and the odd coach (Fulmer, for one) are interested in turning out leaders or men of character and honor. The rest of the college football world is interested in the cash, and if that means letting a convicted felon on the field, then that's what will happen, by hook or by crook. Coaches are paid to win and to win by a lot, thanks to the BCS and Bobby Bowden.

Suffice it to say that CPF will retire at season's end, but don't imagine that fans can impact personnel at UTK one iota. I unconditionally reject the notion that fans have ANY say whatsoever.
 
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i'm all for a coaching change. i am. but i can't bring myself to not go to the games and at least support the players. that sends a message that you have lost all confidence in them and i can't bring myself to do that. do i support most of the coaching staff? no. but i do have respect for the guys that get out there and play the game. not saying that both shouldn't be to blame. but players are really only as good as they are coached.

vol fans are supposed to be loyal to the team no matter what, and i stand by that.
 
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VolsWinRLose said:
I'd say 95% of the people who post on this board are just like me - we know enough about football to know what to complain about. That does not make us experts, and it certainly doesn't set us on par with a D-1 head football coach, no matter what his record is. All we have is our love of the game and/or of the university/state or what have you.

I can you that what Hamilton has is a charge from the university to make money and keep us out of trouble with the NCAA, and that's it. Football is no longer just a game; it's a business. Only the fans and the odd coach (Fulmer, for one) are interested in turning out leaders or men of character and honor. The rest of the college football world is interested in the cash, and if that means letting a convicted felon on the field, then that's what will happen, by hook or by crook. Coaches are paid to win and to win by a lot, thanks to the BCS and Bobby Bowden.

Suffice it to say that CPF will retire at season's end, but don't imagine that fans can impact personnel at UTK one iota. I unconditionally reject the notion that fans have ANY say whatsoever.
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Right now we have somewhat a lot to complain about. I am not Sure that we have identified the problem. Why fix a symptom?

Mike Hamilton is a business man and I am a true supporter of his. He has been great for UT. I truly believe that. His position is one of concern for any program in the NCAA because of how much influence that donors can have over it and the results thereof. AL, GA, Auburn, FL are great examples within the SEC alone as to what can happen when the Money and donors are giving privileges and say as to what happens. I trust MH not to do that. This board is full of no money no say threads and that is not exactly right. MH emphasizes looking above Money Money Money I understand the business side. I want to know what I am getting for my donation. If I give x dollars does that buy me x say so. If it does it is wrong.......
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If Tennessee were a stock they would be Selling.
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Interesting observation.

I agree that the Tennessee football program under Fulmer is a big time sell right now, more like a dump for anything you can get..., but with a good coach we would be a tremedous buy. Our upside potential at this point (fan base, resources, etc.) is huge. The value is there, just not being realized.
 
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duckman398686 said:
i'm all for a coaching change. i am. but i can't bring myself to not go to the games and at least support the players. that sends a message that you have lost all confidence in them and i can't bring myself to do that. do i support most of the coaching staff? no. but i do have respect for the guys that get out there and play the game. not saying that both shouldn't be to blame. but players are really only as good as they are coached.

vol fans are supposed to be loyal to the team no matter what, and i stand by that.
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Believe me it pains me to no end. But, something must be done before we wind up with a Bobby Bowden situation. I love Tennessee football with all of my heart and i am sick with the current situation. You are very right when you say that the players are only as good as their coaching. But, with a money man like Hamilton money is all he understands.
 
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I honestly think that you just don't have a competitive roster. As to a particular game, that's the players' fault for not rising to the occassion. As to the season, that is the coaches' fault for not recruiting better players.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I honestly think that you just don't have a competitive roster. As to a particular game, that's the players' fault for not rising to the occassion. As to the season, that is the coaches' fault for not recruiting better players.
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yea but we really look good on paper. LOL Is that you Natillie
 
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I don't think Fulmer is as hungry as some of the other coaches in the league like Meyer or Saban. He seems to miss a lot of details. Like the offside kick to open the game, they weren't prepared. On the defense, the team seems lost when the offense spreads the field with WR's, the coverage is always soft.
 
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oklavol, I agree that Fulmer sometimes seems 'out of it.' But to some degree I just think that's the way he always looks. You can argue he is not as enthused, doesn't feel the same sense of urgency that other coaches do, or you can argue that he's cool under pressure, not rattled. Depends on your point of view.
 
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There needs to be a change, but it needs to be the right change. Remember UGA of the 90's or the UF fighting Zooks?
 
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lawgator1 said:
oklavol, I agree that Fulmer sometimes seems 'out of it.' But to some degree I just think that's the way he always looks. You can argue he is not as enthused, doesn't feel the same sense of urgency that other coaches do, or you can argue that he's cool under pressure, not rattled. Depends on your point of view.
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regardless of what is going on in the head it is getting harder to watch UT Football in General. Its not a no hope thing its a what now thing. There is no coolness it is more like which group is not getting it the players or the staff. it is like him against the world out there with an occasional tap on the back of a player. Sideline dynamics are part of the program and the team and it seems as though the players have adopted his style of leadership coaching. if it happens it happens
 
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YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME???? THE BOOSTERS!!! THEY KEEP FUNNELING MONEY FOR THAT CRAP!! When the booster money starts drying up, they will make a change. Money talks and the boosters have the loudest voices!!
 
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weembra said:
There needs to be a change, but it needs to be the right change. Remember UGA of the 90's or the UF fighting Zooks?
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We are the equal to GA of the 90s or the Zook coached FLA teams right now, so I'm not sure what your point is.

If we made a bad coaching change, we'd be more like Ole Miss post Cut or Nebraska now. Don't fool yourself into thinking we are better right now than the 90's GA or Zook UF teams.
 
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scottone928 said:
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME???? THE BOOSTERS!!! THEY KEEP FUNNELING MONEY FOR THAT CRAP!! When the booster money starts drying up, they will make a change. Money talks and the boosters have the loudest voices!!
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thank you for saying that. We need to buy back the team.
 
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GoVols817 said:
We are the equal to GA of the 90s or the Zook coached FLA teams right now, so I'm not sure what your point is.

If we made a bad coaching change, we'd be more like Ole Miss post Cut or Nebraska now. Don't fool yourself into thinking we are better right now than the 90's GA or Zook UF teams.
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You make a good point. I just don't see any available coaches out there that will take us to the promised land, and belive it or not, we could fall to the ranks of vandy or kentucky of old.
 
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Well it's the truth. Thats what happened at Florida. The boosters put the pressure on Foley to make the change. Remember Zook is a close friend of Foleys.But to Foleys credit, he did what he had to do for the program. Do not get me wrong, I like Zook. He genuinely cared about the kids he coached and I am happy for him at Illinois.
 
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