Who inherited a worse situation, and did better with it? Heupel or Shane Beamer?

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Obviously a lot of us feel Heupel should have gotten “Coach of the Year” consideration. A name that always pops up who also should have gotten consideration is Shane Beamer. Is Shane deserving of being Heup’s “rival” in this discussion? Just some things to point out:

2020 Vols: 3-7 (worth noting that we beat SC)
2020 Gamecocks: 2-8

2020 Vols: Lost more players to the portal than any other team
2020 Gamecocks: Lost several to the portal and had an abysmal recruiting class (ranked #79)

2021 Vols: Finished 7-5 (stomped South Carolina)
2021 Gamecocks: Finished 6-6, (got stomped by Tennessee)

Personally, I don’t see how it’s a discussion.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Obviously a lot of us feel Heupel should have gotten “Coach of the Year” consideration. A name that always pops up who also should have gotten consideration is Shane Beamer. Is Shane deserving of being Heup’s “rival” in this discussion? Just some things to point out:

2020 Vols: 3-7 (worth noting that we beat SC)
2020 Gamecocks: 2-8

2020 Vols: Lost more players to the portal than any other team
2020 Gamecocks: Lost several to the portal and had an abysmal recruiting class (ranked #79)

2021 Vols: Finished 7-5 (stomped South Carolina)
2021 Gamecocks: Finished 6-6, (got stomped by Tennessee)

Personally, I don’t see how it’s a discussion.
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The same is asked about Leach too. Which coach actually has succeeded and is successful with his offense.
 
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I don't know why people are so insecure about this and have to declare who was better, both did a good job and exceeded their preseason projected FPI wins. This was a weird year, more teams in the East overperformed than the West.

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knox-townVOL said:
Obviously a lot of us feel Heupel should have gotten “Coach of the Year” consideration. A name that always pops up who also should have gotten consideration is Shane Beamer. Is Shane deserving of being Heup’s “rival” in this discussion? Just some things to point out:

2020 Vols: 3-7 (worth noting that we beat SC)
2020 Gamecocks: 2-8

2020 Vols: Lost more players to the portal than any other team
2020 Gamecocks: Lost several to the portal and had an abysmal recruiting class (ranked #79)

2021 Vols: Finished 7-5 (stomped South Carolina)
2021 Gamecocks: Finished 6-6, (got stomped by Tennessee)

Personally, I don’t see how it’s a discussion.
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It's clearly a discussion worth having. They were deeper in the crapper than we were and his guys improved throughout the course of the year. I'd still vote Heupel but Beamer is in the conversation. He did a good job with what he was handed.
 
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Nationdom said:
Tennessee has more talent than USC, Mizzou, and Vandy combined. Beamer did the better job and its not really close.
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According to?

I was surprised in the early season discussions. I said that UT had more talent according to the recruiting rankings than 9 opponents. That was true. But IIRC, the closest to them was USCe. I think Beamer did a good job. I wouldn't say it isn't "close". His biggest disadvantage was that he had no QB.... but UT's situation wasn't settled either. In fact, I seem to remember some saying that Luke Doty was better than anyone UT could field.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I don't know why people are so insecure about this and have to declare who was better, both did a good job and exceeded their preseason projected FPI wins. This was a weird year, more teams in the East overperformed than the West.

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It'll be interesting to see the preseason rankings next year. UGA will be #1 of course, but it'll probably be UT, UK, or SC at #2. FL will start the season low with the offseason that they've had so far. Missouri and Vandy bringing up the rear.
 
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b_gann said:
It'll be interesting to see the preseason rankings next year. UGA will be #1 of course, but it'll probably be UT, UK, or SC at #2. FL will start the season low with the offseason that they've had so far. Missouri and Vandy bringing up the rear.
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Tennessee will be picked in the preseason to finish second in the East next year. UK starts 10 seniors on defense. Now some of those guys have a sixth year available, but they’re still going to lose a lot.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Obviously a lot of us feel Heupel should have gotten “Coach of the Year” consideration. A name that always pops up who also should have gotten consideration is Shane Beamer. Is Shane deserving of being Heup’s “rival” in this discussion? Just some things to point out:

2020 Vols: 3-7 (worth noting that we beat SC)
2020 Gamecocks: 2-8

2020 Vols: Lost more players to the portal than any other team
2020 Gamecocks: Lost several to the portal and had an abysmal recruiting class (ranked #79)

2021 Vols: Finished 7-5 (stomped South Carolina)
2021 Gamecocks: Finished 6-6, (got stomped by Tennessee)

Personally, I don’t see how it’s a discussion.
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For me, its Heupel. At best, UT was on a level playing field with talent/returning players. Couple that with the distractions of the investigation and all the players that wanted out of their NLI because of Pruitts firing (probably also due to no money bags either) and UT has exceeded expectations with the product he has put on the field.

SC caught UF during their down turn when the team completely gave up. UT played the UF that lost to Bama by 2 and was still playing hard/with confidence. I'm not making any excuses for how UT played that game, but if UT plays UF later in the year its a blowout the other way IMO.

A loss to a Mizzou team that UT beat. A 1 point win against Vandy that I believe required a last minute TD to win. A loss to UK, and a 3 point win against ECU.

Where as UT lost to 3 teams that participated in their conference championship games while a 4th that finished top 25. To take an offense ranked somewhere around 100 in the country in 2020 and have them as a top 10 offense in the country in just a year is nothing short of spectacular.
 
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Hmmm? Are we debating who the better COY is among those who didn't win the COY to begin with? :oops:
 
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Nationdom said:
Tennessee has more talent than USC, Mizzou, and Vandy combined. Beamer did the better job and its not really close.
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"it's not really close".........wrong. SC didn't lose what we lost in the portal. SC wasn't facing NCAA scrutiny. SC had a QB to start the season. Beamer did not do the better job, imo.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Tennessee will be picked in the preseason to finish second in the East next year. UK starts 10 seniors on defense. Now some of those guys have a sixth year available, but they’re still going to lose a lot.
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I agree we'll be picked 2nd in the east next season. Depending on who (underclassmen) leaves early for Georgia, may even receive a few first place votes.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Obviously a lot of us feel Heupel should have gotten “Coach of the Year” consideration. A name that always pops up who also should have gotten consideration is Shane Beamer. Is Shane deserving of being Heup’s “rival” in this discussion? Just some things to point out:

2020 Vols: 3-7 (worth noting that we beat SC)
2020 Gamecocks: 2-8

2020 Vols: Lost more players to the portal than any other team
2020 Gamecocks: Lost several to the portal and had an abysmal recruiting class (ranked #79)

2021 Vols: Finished 7-5 (stomped South Carolina)
2021 Gamecocks: Finished 6-6, (got stomped by Tennessee)

Personally, I don’t see how it’s a discussion.
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CJH based on the quantity and the quality he lost off the roster.
South Carolina won every game they were supposed to win, plus a nice win against an Auburn team that lost the last 6 games of the season.
 
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Nationdom said:
Tennessee has more talent than USC, Mizzou, and Vandy combined. Beamer did the better job and its not really close.
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Not so sure about that as a whole vs SC. Take away Hooker and we're probably lucky to be in a bowl. If SC has Hooker and not their three scrubs, they probably win another game or two...or if Milton is our starting QB all year, we may not win a few of the games...certainly KY. QBs matter, but still can't say enough about what JH did on both sides of the ball to coach them up. My vote is JH, but can see Beamer also.
 
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The answer to the OP’s question for me comes down to a simple choice: based on the total body of work in 2021 from rebuilding the locker room to assistants hired to strength and conditioning to play calling execution plus in game adjustments player development and managing fanatical expectations et al would I take Beamer over Heupel at TN?

Ummm NO. Not even close.

Heupel had to climb out of a MUCH deeper hole at TN due to player defections, admin chaos, a high profile ncaa investigation and of course a much bigger national profile with demanding impatient fans like me at the end of our ropes.

What Heupel accomplished Year 1 against all odds was so incredible and unlikely I’m still SHOOK.
 
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OffTackleVol said:
"it's not really close".........wrong. SC didn't lose what we lost in the portal. SC wasn't facing NCAA scrutiny. SC had a QB to start the season. Beamer did not do the better job, imo.
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Didn’t SC start GA Zeb Noland for the majority of the year?
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Let me rephrase the question.

Who would you rather have as your head coach going into 2022. Beamer or Heupel?
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I'm taking Heupel all day long. But, if I'm SC, I'm probably OK with college football's Ted Lasso...I like him especially
after press was all over him early in the season and after the UT beat down.
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Nationdom said:
Tennessee has more talent than USC, Mizzou, and Vandy combined. Beamer did the better job and its not really close.
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Beamer lost OC Bobo....line coach Friend and another coach that left him at the 11th hour and were hired at Auburn then Beamer beat Auburn's azz....LOL

That and Beamer beat Florida too and we can't beat Florida no matter how bad and screwed up and badly coached they are.
 
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Nationdom said:
Tennessee has more talent than USC, Mizzou, and Vandy combined. Beamer did the better job and its not really close.
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Beamer won nail bitters vs ECU, Vandy. Heupel pounded bad teams. JH lost close games to Pitt & Ole Miss.
 
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Who cares? Holtz and Spurrier couldn’t get it done there, so anointing loser “Beamer ball” because he’s a Froot loop is purely emotional and woman football!
 
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