Who do we catch first?

[Evet Vols]

Fulmer had almost got the series back to even again with Bama. Hopefully this year Butch gets wins against both Bama and Fl and starts his own win streaks.

 

[checkerboards09]

Fulmer had almost got the series back to even again with Bama. Hopefully this year Butch gets wins against both Bama and Fl and starts his own win streaks.

Bama lucked out getting Saban. They'll be good/great as long as he's there, so I'm definitely looking forward to the day he leaves. He's a better coach than Bear Bryant imo and that's scary to think about.

 

[chargervol]

Hmmmmmm....if we've been underperforming for awhile now, and have won 11 in a row over you, what does that say about you?

That we have greatly underperformed.
On the bright side, I can admit as much.
Get back to me when you feel close to reaching that achievement.

 

[BaldBiker]

Hmmmmmm....if we've been underperforming for awhile now, and have won 11 in a row over you, what does that say about you?

We sucked?

 

[BaldBiker]

Did I win?

 

[chargervol]

Did I win?

That was my answer. I award you 500 points.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Whether you like it or not, Florida is a traditional power. For the past 36 years they have been a dominant force in the SEC except for the Muschamp-era. They may not be as old as UT or been around as long, but it's dumb to discount them.

Come on versa, let the gator trolls defend Fl. He is right they were nothing before Spurier. And to think UT was his 1st choice.

We had our chance to beat them into the stone ages. But even with our worst coach in the history of the school we didn't lose 8 games in one season. We have never done that. But sure, I think you are right, to beat them into to the 50's will be more difficult, but with CBJ, I like our chances.

Go Vols!

 

[Iam4utalways]

I can see 10-15 (maybe more) year streaks against Mizzou. The East was historically bad when they joined, so I'm not too afraid of them at all. To me, they'll be a thorn maybe 2-3 times a decade maybe coming close to beating us or just maybe sneaking out a win.

Honestly, Mizzou has a better chance of taking 4th each year from hear on. Vandy can be fair, Ky can't get past basketball to go all in on football. They made their choice when they gave Bear a watch. SC chose Muschamp, they are done. Ga and Fl will continue to be competitive, Spurier built them much like Bear for Bama. Had SC made a better hire they could have rebounded and possibly achieved more, we shall see. Ask a gator what they think of Will and I bet they are glad he is gone. He was a Dooley that recruited defense like a boss.

Go Vols!

 

[esarmstrong]

Tennessee hasn't "dominated" UF on a consistent basis since the 1950s, save for a stretch from 2001-2004 where you guys won 3 out of 4, after UF had a 5-game win streak from 1993-1997 and before our current 11-game win streak.

We can only play each other when games are scheduled....but UF held their own against UT in the 60s, 70s and 80s when we played.

Misleading cherry-picked stats avoid the point: The only reason Florida wasn't "dominated" to the degree they were being "dominated" by a regular foe, like Georgia, before divisional play was because Florida only played Tennessee "once in a blue moon".

Tennessee and Florida have been playing football since the early 1890's and they are charter members in the same conference. However, for scheduling reasons only, Florida and Tennessee never met regularly until divisional play. In the 70+ years of Florida and Tennessee football history that pre-date Spurrier's arrival, Florida and Tennessee had only played 12 games and Florida had only beaten Tennessee one time (1954).

Florida football was nothing until mid 1963, whereas Tennessee, along with Alabama, Ole Miss, Georgia, Georgia Tech and LSU was one of the dominant teams in the SEC at this time.

You say Tennessee hasn't "dominated" Florida since the 1950's and Florida has "held their own" in the 60's, 70's and 80's. This statement conveniently ignores that from 1955 to 1968 UT and UF didn't play at all! In 1969 Florida won, but Tennessee won the next two in 1970 and 71. Honest appraisal is that Tennessee was dominating Florida right up until 1976 when they next played and Florida won (a game I attended, btw). At that point, the series began turning Florida's way.

 

[esarmstrong]

Whether you like it or not, Florida is a traditional power. For the past 36 years they have been a dominant force in the SEC except for the Muschamp-era. They may not be as old as UT or been around as long, but it's dumb to discount them.

I guess it depends on what "traditional power" means to you. I don't define it as liberally as you do. Florida is one of the four or five powers that are in this conference since 1990, but I hardly regard any school a "tradional power" that didn't win it's first legitmate conference title until 1991!

To me, there are four "traditional powers" in the SEC. In order, they are Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and LSU. My criteria is based on winning percentage and conference titles, all time.

 

[Catbone]

Florida currently owns Tennessee. No amount of sugar coating it changed that either. It is what it is. But this year will be our best shot at them.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Misleading cherry-picked stats avoid the point: The only reason Florida wasn't "dominated" to the degree they were being "dominated" by a regular foe, like Georgia, before divisional play was because Florida only played Tennessee "once in a blue moon".

Tennessee and Florida have been playing football since the early 1890's and they are charter members in the same conference. However, for scheduling reasons only, Florida and Tennessee never met regularly until divisional play. In the 70+ years of Florida and Tennessee football history that pre-date Spurrier's arrival, Florida and Tennessee had only played 12 games and Florida had only beaten Tennessee one time (1954).

Florida football was nothing until mid 1963, whereas Tennessee, along with Alabama, Ole Miss, Georgia, Georgia Tech and LSU was one of the dominant teams in the SEC at this time.

You say Tennessee hasn't "dominated" Florida since the 1950's and Florida has "held their own" in the 60's, 70's and 80's. This statement conveniently ignores that from 1955 to 1968 UT and UF didn't play at all! In 1969 Florida won, but Tennessee won the next two in 1970 and 71. Honest appraisal is that Tennessee was dominating Florida right up until 1976 when they next played and Florida won (a game I attended, btw). At that point, the series began turning Florida's way.

Would you like for me to include wins and losses for years we didn't play? :blink:

We can spin this multiple ways. Bottom line is Tennessee owned the series early on, there was a transition period in the 60/70s where the series became more competitive, and since the 90s UF's had the upper hand.

 

[appyvol]

Florida currently owns Tennessee. No amount of sugar coating it changed that either. It is what it is. But this year will be our best shot at them.

+1

 

[BaldBiker]

I don't know why people want to argue with FL fans about the last 11 years in any sort of way. It really doesn't matter if FL underperformed during any of that time. It doesn't matter that TN should have won (or beat themselves) the last 2 years. Facts really are facts, and regardless of how you want to try and sugarcoat it, they have beaten us 11 years in a row. Saying that maybe they didn't deserve this win or that win, or that they didn't win a game...we lost the game in no way, shape or form changes the fact that they did win. They have the W, We have the L.


As I've said every year for the last 11 years...This year we whip their asses. For god's sake Butch/Team 120, please let me be right this year dammit! I hate them tangerine and blue wearing SOB's!

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Zook and Muschamp would more prove his point.

I'll drop my homerism for a moment and give an honest opinion.
UF is in the midst of a recruiting Shangri-La. Part of your record over UT is a result of our own bumbling failure.
The majority is just being overloaded with talent.
I definitely give credit for the great coaching hires that you have had and making something out of an almost non existent past. Flat out winning championships, and no one can take that away.

But...
Not to insult you, just being honest. When the amount of talent available is added to the mix, I find
the record bland at best.
Alabama, the freaking middle of Alabama, now that's impressive.
You have every right to talk smack to us, but let's not get carried away, as if the talent hasn't the primary reason of FL becoming a powerhouse.
At best, you guys have been Georgia, just slightly "prettier".
No reason you shouldn't have more trophies.

So let's try this again, so I'm not accused of being defensive, butt hurt, whining or pitching a fit because we don't agree. lol:

Florida has had UT's number since the 80s, but in my opinion up until 2006 or 2007 the talent levels have been comparable when we played, 1994 being the exception. Kiffin and Dooley changed all that to the point where an idiot like Muschamp looked like Knute Rockne against you guys.

The jury is out on Butch Jones, and to a lesser extent McElwain. One has to silence critics over some well documented coaching errors in close games, the other has to prove his first year SEC title run wasn't a huge fluke.

You also suggested UF should have more championships due to the amount of in-state talent at our disposal...as if UF doesn't have two other national championship caliber programs in the state, not to mention every major P5 program poaching recruits year after year.

Alabama football, like Kentucky basketball, will always attract top talent from across the country. And right now Alabama has the nation's best coach. It's impressive what they're doing, but old money Alabama being great doesn't diminish what new money Florida's done over the past 25 years.

Florida's rise was the combination of having the right coach at the right time, in a state that produces great high school talent. It's wasn't simply talent...hell, former walk-on Chris Doering was the SEC's all-time leading receiver at one point...Chris Freaking Doering? :blink:

Is Florida a traditional power? Depends on the definition, I'll let you guys argue that. If by your definition Florida is not a traditional power then neither is FSU or Miami...and their fans wouldn't trade the past 30+ years for the opportunity to wax poetic about General Neyland. Ditto for UF fans.

The Georgia comparison gets more laughable every time I read it. lol:

Outside of UF, they have the second best recruiting base in the SEC (maybe 3rd now that TAMU is in the fold), yet they're over a generation removed from their last national title, and only have a handful of SEC titles since the divisional split in 1992. And up until Muschamp came along, we've pretty much owned them the past 25 years too. Just an awful argument to make.

 

[chargervol]

Christ you really can't handle anything short of them being called the greatest can you.
Once again, not that I think you'll understand any better this time, I'm not talking about UT, I gave an assessment of Florida and why I think they have become a powerhouse.
There's only been three Elite coaches in two decades.
You have employed two of the three.
Say what you want, if Tennessee had employed 2/3 of the elite coaches and had the recruiting success you've had over those two decades, people on here would be absolutely apechit crazy if we had the same record.
Hell we get 2 top 10 classes in a decade and we have "no excuses" not to win it all.

As I pointed out, Alabama has only had one of the three, has to plunder other states and had much more success.
You can deny all week if you want, given what's been at your disposal, the record should be better.

 

[bamawriter]

Whether or not Florida is a "traditional" power is completely irrelevant. Since the divisional split there's Bama and Florida and a big gap between them and everyone else.

Yes, Florida's first SEC title offcially came in 1991. But they've won 8 in the past 25 years. Even amongst the "traditional" conference powers you'd have to go back a pretty good stretch to find 8 titles:

Alabama: 1981
Georgia: 1966
LSU: 1961
Auburn: 1957
Tennessee: 1956

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Christ you really can't handle anything short of them being called the greatest can you.
Once again, not that I think you'll understand any better this time, I'm not talking about UT, I gave an assessment of Florida and why I think they have become a powerhouse.
There's only been three Elite coaches in two decades.
You have employed two of the three.
Say what you want, if Tennessee had employed 2/3 of the elite coaches and had the recruiting success you've had over those two decades, people on here would be absolutely apechit crazy if we had the same record.
Hell we get 2 top 10 classes in a decade and we have "no excuses" not to win it all.

As I pointed out, Alabama has only had one of the three, has to plunder other states and had much more success.
You can deny all week if you want, given what's been at your disposal, the record should be better.

Your first sentence makes no sense, and you continue to discount FSU and Miami having legendary coaches of their own, operating in the same fertile recruiting ground as us, during the same time period.

If you're talking strictly about SEC titles, we underachieved like crazy until 1991, at which point we lapped the field save for Alabama's incredible run. You could argue UF "underachieved" in '98, '01, and '09...maybe '07...I can live with that.

And with every post it's clear who the drama queen is here, and it ain't me. lol:

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Bottom line is Tennessee owned the series early on, there was a transition period in the 60/70s where the series became more competitive, and since the 90s UF's had the upper hand.

That's exactly how I see it, agree 100%.

It's a streaky series. Here's hoping the worm turns back in our favor beginning this year (I'm sure our Gator counterparts don't agree with that last bit).

 

[chargervol]

And you continue to discount FSU and Miami having legendary coaches of their own, operating in the same fertile recruiting ground as us.

And with every post it's clear who the drama queen is here, and it ain't me. lol:

I said, with the classes you have had.
Meaning they came to your school, you got them, they were on your roster, not sure how else to say this.

Pay more attention while reading, comprehend better, whatever you need to do but don't bother me unless you're actually answering what I say.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I said, with the classes you have had.
Meaning they came to your school, you got them, they were on your roster, not sure how else to say this.

Pay more attention while reading, comprehend better, whatever you need to do but don't bother me unless you're actually answering what I say.

And again, you discount who we competed against to get those classes.

Reading comprehension is a foreign concept to you also...

But sure, UF should have won 12 SEC titles in 25 years instead of 8 because we squandered great talent. Whatever helps you sleep at night. :blink:

 

[ru4real-really?]

we don't own a team that has an 11 year winning streak and overall winning record on us.

blue font???

 

[chargervol]

And again, you discount who we competed against to get those classes.

Reading comprehension is a foreign concept to you also...

But sure, UF should have won 12 SEC titles in 25 years instead of 8 because we squandered great talent. Whatever helps you sleep at night. :blink:

Who you competed against to get the classes has nothing to do with what you accomplished once you got them.

UF should be on par with Alabama in every category.

You hang out here pretending that you just want to give honest football opinions. Well of course you do, because they're all about how you beat Tennessee. Bring anything up that isn't painting Florida in a great light and this is what we get.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Who you competed against to get the classes has nothing to do with what you accomplished once you got them.

UF should be on par with Alabama in every category.

You hang out here pretending that you just want to give honest football opinions. Well of course you do, because they're all about how you beat Tennessee. Bring anything up that isn't painting Florida in a great light and this is what we get.

+1 this is so true. The gator fans on here are fine as long as we only talk about the Mighty Gators. The second you point out anything negative they get so defensive. Florida is a top 5 program of the last 25 years, but before spurrier they were somewhat middling and before the mid sixties they were a doormat. These are the facts, no need to get bent out of shape about it.

 

[Boca Vol]

I like history, heritage and all that stuff but what happened in the early days of college football isn't really relevant today. Remember, too, that Princeton and Minnesota were powers back in the day. Princeton has 20+ national titles and the Gophers have 7.

We would laugh at those fans if they came on here bragging about their accomplishments.