Who do Tennessee fans want out of SEC Football?

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rocky top buzz

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I keep reading about how the SEC is the best football conference because top high-school kids want to play the best competition. Tell me which of these SEC members is great competition in football:

- Vanderbilt
- Kentucky
- Ole Miss
- Mississippi State
- South Carolina

That is almost half of the current conference. None of these teams has won the SECCG, only one (Ms. State) has been in it, and in the past 40 years, only one (Kentucky, '76) has won a share of the conference. The last of these members to win an outright SEC title was Ole Miss in 1963! Georgia Tech has more SEC championships than all of these teams combined, and they have been in the ACC since the 70's. Yes, USCe has only been here 2 decades, but with the coaching talent that has rolled through there, there is no excuse for them not winning the division at least once.

Not only are these teams not competitve in football, but they dont' bring major media attention on the football front (Ole Miss probably brings the most football attention, and Kentucky clearly is needed to keep b-ball relevent in the conference).

Here's my point - with all the conference expansion, is there any chance that the SEC decides to dump a few members in order to make room for better competition. Could you kick Vandy, Ms State, and South Carolina out, dropping down to 9 members, but creating room to add 7 teams for a 16-team super-conference?
 
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rocky top buzz said:
I keep reading about how the SEC is the best football conference because top high-school kids want to play the best competition. Tell me which of these SEC members is great competition in football:

- Vanderbilt
- Kentucky
- Ole Miss
- Mississippi State
- South Carolina

That is almost half of the current conference. None of these teams has won the SECCG, only one (Ms. State) has been in it, and in the past 40 years, only one (Kentucky, '76) has won a share of the conference. The last of these members to win an outright SEC title was Ole Miss in 1963! Georgia Tech has more SEC championships than all of these teams combined, and they have been in the ACC since the 70's. Yes, USCe has only been here 2 decades, but with the coaching talent that has rolled through there, there is no excuse for them not winning the division at least once.

Not only are these teams not competitve in football, but they dont' bring major media attention on the football front (Ole Miss probably brings the most football attention, and Kentucky clearly is needed to keep b-ball relevent in the conference).

Here's my point - with all the conference expansion, is there any chance that the SEC decides to dump a few members in order to make room for better competition. Could you kick Vandy, Ms State, and South Carolina out, dropping down to 9 members, but creating room to add 7 teams for a 16-team super-conference?
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Still not understanding the desire to ADD competition to a schedule that includes Florida, Alabama, UGA, and LSU on occassion. That doesn't make sense to me but whatever.
 
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The Ga Tech comparison is a bit skewed because of number teams in the conference. Name 7 that are significantly better than those 3.
 
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I was thinking that the answer to the OP's title would've been Urban Meyer and Nick Saban.:D
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Still not understanding the desire to ADD competition to a schedule that includes Florida, Alabama, UGA, and LSU on occassion. That doesn't make sense to me but whatever.
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FL,AL, and GA are only THREE games. And usually one of them is in a down year like GA this year or AL before Saban. Don't forget we get three pushovers this year in Memphis, Tennessee Martin, and UAB. If another conference goes to 14 or 16 schools then the Vany,Memphis, UT Martin, UAB, KY, SC games won't cut it. Basically half our games this year aren't fit for TV. PLUS we get an off week in the middle.
 
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vols-1 said:
FL,AL, and GA are only THREE games. And usually one of them is in a down year like GA this year or AL before Saban. Don't forget we get three pushovers this year in Memphis, Tennessee Martin, and UAB. If another conference goes to 14 or 16 schools then the Vany,Memphis, UT Martin, UAB, KY, SC games won't cut it. Basically half our games this year aren't fit for TV. PLUS we get an off week in the middle.
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I just think a program like UT is asking for it if we pull an Oklahoma, Texas, FSU, or Miami into the fold. It'll be fairly miserable to be a UT fan when we see an 8-4 season as a "great" year b/c we lost to 4 top 10 teams.
 
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i have to disagree with u saying those teams dont compete....when those teams play out of conference they play pretty well..yea we make fun of those teams when it comes to them being at the bottom of the totem poll but when it comes to sec talent id take south carolina or ole miss against alot of teams outside to SEC
 
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Eh, every conference has its duds. Besides, it's nice to have a few breathers.

And as someone who grew up a Georgia Tech fan, I salute you.
 
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No. Competition is hard enough as it is, and if we add FSU, Miami, Clemson, Ga Tech, or whoever, then it's only going to get harder to win the SEC. So no, i prefer to continue having some bottom feeders around, or in other words, teams that we can actually beat on a consistent basis. The road back is going to be hard enough. And to reiterate what another poster said, i don't want to get to the point where 8-4 is considered an up year at UT. If we stiffen the competition even more, then that's exactly where we're headed.
 
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Tennessee will be competitive in the SEC in two years imo. Our freshman and sophmores right now will have alot of experience when they are juniors and seniors. All we need is a QB and a line and we will be fine.
 
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Whatever happens with these other conferences, you're still gonna play your fair share of middle-of-the-road teams. The PAC-16 is still gonna have Arizona, UCLA, Oregon St, and now Colorado, while the conference formally known as the Big ten will still have Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, etc. No reason to add teams. Plus, let's keep in mind that as of currently, you lose three games in an NCAA regular season, you can pretty much kiss a BCS bowl goodbye. I'll keep Vandy, thanks.
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None of the above. I want the SEC to keep all 12 teams that it has, which it will, because they all value being a part of the best conference in the nation. Remember, Kentucky was all but begged to join the ACC when it expanded, and that made perfect sense for them as a basketball school. But they said they'd always been an SEC school, and had no interest in changing that.

Keep the 12 schools we have, and if someone else wants to sign up, consider them on their merits. If Clemson wants to come in, I think they would be an excellent fit for the SEC. Florida State too, if they're ready to play some real football now that Fraidy Bowden's been packed off to the retirement village. Or Texas A&M, if the Aggies were to decide they'd rather do something besides cling to the coattails of the "other" UT this time around.
 
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codyg10 said:
Tennessee will be competitive in the SEC in two years imo. Our freshman and sophmores right now will have alot of experience when they are juniors and seniors. All we need is a QB and a line and we will be fine.
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You confuse me....

Sometimes you are ridiculously critical and negative. Other times you say reasonably positive stuff like this.


But anyway, back to the topic.

At Tennessee's current state, I don't know how well conference expansion would go for us. I could see it taking even longer to get back on top because now, not only would we recruit and play against the previous four champions, but the likes of other top ten talent as well.

I don't care who you are. That's one hell of a recruiting pitch to sale.
 
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sofflavol said:
i have to disagree with u saying those teams dont compete....when those teams play out of conference they play pretty well..yea we make fun of those teams when it comes to them being at the bottom of the totem poll but when it comes to sec talent id take south carolina or ole miss against alot of teams outside to SEC
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agreed !! i can remember in 06 , i believe it was ,that MI was ranked fairly high and vandy was only down like 14-9 in the 4th!! they may not be the best but look at the bowl games every year we are usually around an average of 60-70 % wins and the losses are usually fairly close !!
 
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It wouldn't even be about ousting anyone anyway. We would keep everyone, and add 4 new teams if this were to happen.
 
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zach0105 said:
You confuse me....

Sometimes you are ridiculously critical and negative. Other times you say reasonably positive stuff like this.


But anyway, back to the topic.

At Tennessee's current state, I don't know how well conference expansion would go for us. I could see it taking even longer to get back on top because now, not only would we recruit and play against the previous four champions, but the likes of other top ten talent as well.

I don't care who you are. That's one hell of a recruiting pitch to sale.
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i understand what your saying but i really dont think recruiting will suffer all that much !! regardless of what most people think , these young men are sold on the university their coaches and what they have to offer them as far as maturing into an nfl player!! as much as i hate it kiffin proved that a good sales pitch will go a long ways as well as turn others off regardless of where they would like to play!! its all a big chess match. i just love tennessee football
 
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Vandy's in because of academics, and because of it, will remain as long as they choose.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
I keep reading about how the SEC is the best football conference because top high-school kids want to play the best competition. Tell me which of these SEC members is great competition in football:

- Vanderbilt
- Kentucky
- Ole Miss
- Mississippi State
- South Carolina
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Maybe UK is less of a threat in conference, but they'd be competing in the ACC judging by their MCB results. Miss St will get a lot better and will continue to do so as long as Mullen is there, and despite the fact that they go 7-6 every year, SC just got finished rofflestomping one of the ACCCG teams and they fill their stadium every Saturday. Georgia Tech would be just as bad as any of those three. Clemson would be South Carolina in orange. If it's not VT, FSU, or Miami, it's not an upgrade, plus if we kick UK out then there is no basketball prestige in our conference, and it becomes completely irrelevant.
 
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its not just for competition... with schools like vandy, they keep the conference GPA up, and makeas our conference better academiclly
 
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So our potential schedule will look like this:

Georgia, FL, AL, and a mixture of LSU, OK, TX, Miami, FSU

The buckeyes schedfule will look like this, Indiana, Purdue, Mich ST, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn ST

And USC will be playing Arizona, Washington, Colorado, AZ ST

Yeah, this doesn't screw us in the least ... if we played that schedule we'd be going through a minimum of 3 top 10 teams per year and probabably 3 #1 teams per year and about half of the top 15 teams in the country while the other top schools are still playing nobodies.
 
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